Plastic producers have known for more than 30 years that recycling is not an economically or technically feasible plastic waste management solution. That has not stopped them from promoting it, according to a new report.
“The companies lied,” said Richard Wiles, president of fossil-fuel accountability advocacy group the Center for Climate Integrity (CCI), which published the report. “It’s time to hold them accountable for the damage they’ve caused.”
I don’t think it’s so much that anyone lied about anything, it’s that people have ignored two really huge contributing factors to the entire recycling cycle. Remember the three R’s?
Reduce consumption. Reuse things that aren’t damaged. Recycle when it becomes unusable.
Plastic containers don’t need to be melted down and remade into anything; they can be cleaned and reused. But we just throw them away, or send them to be recycled immediately, and still consume more; completely ignoring the first two R’s.
All these containers could be, and maybe should be, going back to the manufacturer they came from to be washed and reused. And we consumers could try and consume less things that come in such packaging or containers since that’s the only way they will make fewer things in them, though that’s easier said than done.
I’m going to be pedantic, but there is one R missing, the one with the most impact : Refuse.
So it’s Refuse, Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
If you can, buy products that don’t have plastic in them at all. This is the biggest impact you can have as an individual.
Plastic containers don’t need to be melted down and remade into anything; they can be cleaned and reused. But we just throw them away, or send them to be recycled immediately, and still consume more; completely ignoring the first two R’s.
Except a plastic bottle start leaking cancerous shit after a week or so iirc
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/08/health/bottled-water-nanoplastics-study-wellness/index.html
Well that’s exactly the lie they sold. Reduce? Reuse? Absolutely. No question.
Recycle? If it makes sense. Should you recycle magazines? Sure, I’m sure it’s possible… But that glossy coating means you’d have to put it through a bunch of rounds of chemical baths or something to separate that plastic crap off. Same with cardboard - if it’s glossy, it’s probably not going to turn back into wood pulp, and if it’s oily it’d also ruin the batch (after a certain amount) so no pizza boxes either.
It’s like that for just about anything you want to recycle - you have to look at the cost. And I mean full cost - the energy cost, fossil fuel used to produce required chemicals, the river those chemicals end up eventually, the environmental opportunity cost of bothering with it vs creating it fresh, and finally the man hour and infrastructure costs
Even if we publicly funded it, it’s still an externality to the producer.
And that’s the lie. It’s like bailing out a cruise ship with a drinking cup… Theoretically it seems like “hey, if we can just move faster and we all do it, it could work!” But the numbers won’t work. You can’t scoop water up infinitely fast, and the geometry is going to limit how many people can increase the speed of bailing out water.
The only way this works is by plugging the holes or building enormous systems to offset the water coming in.
Reduce, reuse, recycle is a lie because it was never possible. Not for plastics - paper works pretty well, glass can work (but it’s a lot of energy if you don’t reuse it), metals work if the price is right.
But plastic barely works to create an inferior product (where only a portion of the material is recycled - you always have to add new plastic, sometimes only a few percent, sometimes more than half). You also have to sort it, ship it, wash the crap out of it, and deal with all the micro plastic-infused solvents. Because plastic sheds from heat, cold, UV light, mechanical pressure, and looking at it funny - every step of the process, you’re dusting the surroundings in micro plastics. Even rainwater is full of micro plastics. And generally, it all ends up washed into the nearest body of water and the soil
And what’s worse, is everything is coated in plastic if not made of it originally.
The only answer is to make companies stop wrapping everything in plastic… Yeah, it’s super convenient and cheap, but we could figure out better options.
People are so worried about the AI alignment problem, but the corporate alignment problem is a much bigger threat - we have to make them want it, because the campaign to “reduce, reuse, recycle” bought them 40 years of complacency
Plastic, which is made from oil and gas, is notoriously difficult to recycle. Doing so requires meticulous sorting, since most of the thousands of chemically distinct varieties of plastic cannot be recycled together. That renders an already pricey process even more expensive. Another challenge: the material degrades each time it is reused, meaning it can generally only be reused once or twice.
The industry has known for decades about these existential challenges, but obscured that information in its marketing campaigns, the report shows.
Nope, they just lied. It wasn’t just that people weren’t re-using, people ARE reusing plastic products. But industry lied about the viability and cost to recycle the material.
At a 1956 industry conference, the Society of the Plastics Industry, a trade group, told producers to focus on “low cost, big volume” and “expendability” and to aim for materials to end up “in the garbage wagon”.
Then they pushed non-reusability.
An internal 1986 report from the trade association the Vinyl Institute noted that “recycling cannot be considered a permanent solid waste solution [to plastics], as it merely prolongs the time until an item is disposed of”.
Despite this knowledge, the Society of the Plastics Industry established the Plastics Recycling Foundation in 1984, bringing together petrochemical companies and bottlers, and launched a campaign focused on the sector’s commitment to recycling.
They’ve always known recycling to be a short term solution but hid that to get around the inevitable legislation against plastics.
Problem is that reducing on an individual level is difficult to impossible because I don’t control how things are given to me, i.e. takeout or how produce is packaged.
Agreed. Individual conservation will never have the impact legislation can. For an example look at reusable grocery bags. Only a small minority of people used them when it was optional. But when localities banned disposable bags everyone had to.
No fucking shit
Haha okay, classic America and the “It cant be done” attitude. Keep licking the boots of your corporate overlords. If only there were any countries that just recycle everything anyway, right?
I believe you’re confusing recycling with what your local recycling program will accept. It’s convenient if they accept all plastic “recycling numbers” but many of those numbers are aspirational, with no known way of actually recycling that type of plastic. Manufacturers knew this, but promised that the technology to do so would be forthcoming. It has not been forthcoming, and current and future generations will suffer for it.
But even when plastic is recyclable, it’s still shit, and we should be trying to minimise its use in everyday consumer products.
The thing is, chemists knew it. Nobody wanted to hear it. There are only three things worth recycling: Aluminum, glass, and electronics.
That’s extremely reductionist and inaccurate. Most metals can be recycled easily, not only aluminium.
Aluminium is typically used as is though, while many other metals are used as alloys. I suspect that it makes things much easier when you don’t have to worry about composition.
Note that I don’t really know anything much about metals or recycling, so I might be completely wrong.
Aluminium is typically used as is though
That would result in some shitty products. Aluminium is also mostly used as alloy, pure aluminium is pretty soft.
Waste metal is basically always going to be purer and easier to deal with than metal ore, so it’s worth recycling nearly anything that it’s worth mining the ore for. Aluminium’s particularly recyclable because it’s expensive to make it from ore, and much less expensive to melt existing aluminium.
Everytime I buy something from a local shop or a western brand, it comes packaged with minimal plastic, and a lot of well thought out materials. Even if they use plastic, its always a very thin plastic and very “soft”. Can’t describe. But when I buy ANYTHING from aliexpress you can tell it came from china just by looking at the packaging. It has SO MANY LAYERS of plastic, and very hard and thick plastic. If you buy for example a single keychain comes with 20x the weight of it in plastic. They smell so much to plastic chemicals too, something that “western plastic” doesn’t smell like. Every time I have to drink from a paper straw I remind myself that a 10x10cm sticker I bought came with 5kg of plastic and still arrived damaged from shipping.
We don’t need to reduce even more. We need to somehow force china to reduce it. I am againt taxes for everything, but maybe tax the amount/weight of plastic that comes on stuff you get from china. And find a way to tax the sender, not the buyer. Maybe that will make chinese companies to actually think about reducing they 50 tons of useless plastic waste they make each second.
