The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn’t a genocidal maniac, yet he’s all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn’t just “we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum.”

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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The answer is simple and almost no one gets it: The U.S. will NEVER give up a military foothold in the middle east. They will ignore every atrocity Israel commits if it means we have a place to sortie from.

That’s it.

It’s not a religious conspiracy, it’s not about back room money deals.

It’s about military power and our ability to strike anywhere in the world with 2 hours notice.

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The U.S. will NEVER give up a military foothold in the middle east.

They will, only once all the oil’s been extracted, which will take some decades yet.

While it’s not a religious conspiracy, there is plenty of religious support from certain christian denominations, on the USA and other countries, because of some weird interpretation of the bible about Israelis getting their “promised land” back.

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It’s not only about oil. I mean sure, some of it is but even without oil they’d want military access simply because of how much a hotspot it is.

I already told you this has nothing to do with religion and the fact you believe this means your sources aren’t trustworthy.

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Oh, you mean that people who use religion to preach support for isreal aren’t real? The pastors in my country that do that during the cults and on TV must be a figment of my imagination, then!

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This is the most simple answer and the truth. Not only that, but our hands are generally tied to a fault when it comes to these allies. This is why Biden has had some words to say, but there’s no actual teeth to them. He literally can’t do shit. Any other administration would be the same.

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Yeah but that won’t prevent every fuckdamn armchair admiral from weighing in with their wikipedia based knowledge.

The problem is that those trolls are significantly out-shouting the truth.

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No he CAN do something, he can say fuck you, and let someone else run while he does the right thing regardless of the cost to his career

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It wouldn’t be the cost to his career, it would be the loss of military access to the most volatile place on the planet.

Do you even bother understanding the concepts you comment on?

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Well, Trump might do something because he’s willing to break any and all precedents … but the something he does would likely be much worse, impulsive, and generally lacking much forethought.

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Israel is an ally in the middle east, the only one who does what the US says whenever they say it.

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Israel does what they want.

Their interests align with ours more often than, say, Syria, but they are not a puppet state. Israel tells US foreign policy to go fuck itself sideways on a regular basis.

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We’ve not told them explicitly to stop steam rolling Palestine, we’ve don’t the opposite by emboldening them with a few billion dollars in aid money. If we did and stopped giving them aid, they would stop yesterday. They’re dependent on US aid to keep existing. The second we stop aiding Israel; Jordan, Iran, and Iraq move right on in.

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Interesting, What are some examples of this?

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Because while “what we can mostly all agree” to that, Biden does not think that Israel is engaged in genocide.

Just because a group of people perceive something to be the absolute truth, doesn’t mean everyone interpret reality the same way.

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Because Israel helped the US a ton during the cold war. Mossad are pretty good at what they do, and what they did a lot of was spying on Moscow.

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Except when it comes to defending their own country from their technologically inferior neighbor.

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Israel wants to kill everyone in Gaza the Middle East and take their land a la Lebensraum. (They want to take Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt too (and even Turkey))

America wants to control the middle east so they can control the oil.

Our entire modern society revolves around oil.

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