A state senator said during a public forum in Tahlequah that LGBTQ+ people are “filth,” and that he and his constituents don’t want them in “our state.”
It’s beginning. All over again. Fuck. We gon’ have to destroy some Nazis again, aren’t we?
yes, we do. let’s finish the job this time so our grandkids won’t have to deal with this shit
Sadly,many of these new Nazis are the grandchildren of the people who fought the original Nazis.
Nah. Those grandkids would be GenX. We’re famous slackers.
It’s the Millennials and GenZ who have forgotten the face of their fathers.
(Not that many of us GenX fuckers aren’t conservative as fuck.)
No more of this forgiveness “healing” buttpat bullshit America loves to do with its internal enemies.
End every nazi. Give every apologist life in prison. Ban all nazi/MAGA/confederate iconography and treat anyone found with it as enemies of the state and treat them as such.
We can’t just keep forgiving them every time they fuck around then shocked Pikachu when they take another swing. Crush them.
That will involve armed liberals confronting these animals on the streets. Don’t see that happening. If they want to march in my town, I’ll be front and center. And I will start shit. What are they gonna do? Kill me in a firefight?
Easy for me to say in my weird space. I’m middle-aged, had a pretty great life, all in all. Also got little kids, I’d rather die than see them grow up in a fascist state. I’d count it a win if I take 2-3 of 'em first. Show that we’ll fight back.
Y’all do as you like. But don’t come crying “No more guns!” when the fascists start up the trains.
Liberals: “The Christo-fascists are taking over! And getting more blatant about it every day”
Yep. Have been for some time. They’re more and more in our face about it.
Liberals: “The 2A is ancient bullshit! Give up your guns!”
Well now, hold on a moment…
Saw a wild video a year or two back. Iranian Jihadis running and gunning down a residential apartment block. This was in response to protests. Women wanting rights are some such crazy thing. They were firing indiscriminately into apartment buildings.
Commented a time or three on reddit, “That can’t happen in America. We’d shoot back. Or they wouldn’t even start.” (Much like Ohio class boomers, deterrence is a thing.) Buried in downvotes. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll do what I can for y’all. Won’t be much I fear. But I’ll fight the Nazis, the ones literally marching in our streets, and it may mean my personal extinction. I’ll be scared shitless, but I’ll fight, and I have the means and training. Do you? I suggest y’all join me before you end up on trains.
My plan is to boldy say something snarky right before getting shot and hope someone films it so I can be turned into a meme before everything collapses. (In actuality my mental health is way too poor to keep a gun in easy access. Maybe a crossbow or something would be better for me, or I could get a proper medic bag and help that way)
Always the same bullshit pro-gun comments pushing minorities to buy guns, but never telling them who they’re supposed to shoot and how it’s supposed to help.
If just owning a gun stops this, why is it happening? Why is it happening more often in America compared to countries with stricter gun laws?
If those guns need to be used, who are we shooting and when? This senator? Police? Trump? The far-right would be thrilled. They could open fire on anybody wearing rainbows and claim “I feared for my life” because the second amendment does far more to enable scumbags and extremists than it does to save minorities.
I’m on your side on this one (and I know we don’t always agree). I’m not really sure why people are downvoting other than maybe being confused about your message? I took your meaning to be to encourage folks to train, prep and be ready to fight.
Could be the 2A comments drawing downvotes, but good people will need to fight fire with fire, unfortunately.
“We are a religious state and we are going to fight it to keep that filth out of the state of Oklahoma because we are a Christian state – we are a moral state,”
Ding, ding, ding…
There’s your problem, right there. Christians continue to tell us who they plan on attacking next and we, as a society, allow them to continue to be the shittiest human beings on planet Earth, unabated. These people are heavily mentally ill. And they keep… What’s the word they like to use…? “Grooming” kids to make sure the priests and the pastors have a brand new group of idiots for the next generation.
This has to be stopped. Believing utter bullshit should not be a protected class.
I’m really tired of these assholes using religion as a basis to make and change laws. They’re forcing Christianity on everyone else. I guess freedom of/from religion is there with the separation of church and state, in the trash.
Using religion as a basis to change laws is what they do. It’s why they were threatened, under the penalty of death, by most of the countries in Europe, to leave. Everybody was sick of their shit. Imagine a massive group of Marjorie Taylor Greens. That is what sailed to America. Imagine being a Native American, living your best life, and that is what shows up on your shores.
This narrative that Christians left to “avoid religious persecution” was started by, you guessed it, the Christians, who are always the “victims” even when they themselves initiated the problem. The truth is, they came here so they could continue to persecute others. How many infected blankets did they hand out to the natives, knowing it would kill them? They have always been terrible people. Always.
The founding fathers were not even Christians, they were deists. At that time, just like today, you can’t make a law without including the Christians or they’ll destroy society. They have to be getting talked about favorably or they kill everyone around them; the inquisition, the Nazis, etc… All done by Christians. And yet we made them a federally protected class. For what? What warrants that? They aren’t threatened. They’re not a minority class, that is to say, not a small number of the population… They have churches seemingly on every corner in every city and town in the country. Everyone else has to be protected from them.
And one of the lesser, yet still egregious tactics that they use is to have prayer meetings at public schools and at jobs. I’ve lived in the South my entire life and almost every place I’ve ever worked, there’s been a morning meeting where somebody prays at the end.
We, as a society, need to reevaluate the need to list religion as a protected class, because let’s face it, the Christians think their religion is the only one that meets that criteria. They are nothing but a federally defended terrorist group.
Blows my mind that there aren’t violent LGBT folks out there. I’m not advocating violence, but I’m impressed with the self control.
There absolutely are, never forget the first pride parade was a riot.
"When did you ever see a fag fight back? … Now, times were a-changin’. Tuesday night was the last night for bullshit … Predominantly, the theme [w]as, “this shit has got to stop!”
“…the crowd shouted “Pigs!” and “Faggot cops!” Beer cans were thrown and the police lashed out, dispersing some of the crowd who found a construction site nearby with stacks of bricks…Garbage cans, garbage, bottles, rocks, and bricks were hurled at the building, breaking the windows. Witnesses attest that “flame queens”, hustlers, and gay “street kids”—the most outcast people in the gay community—were responsible for the first volley of projectiles, as well as the uprooting of a parking meter used as a battering ram”
That’s mindless violence. I was thinking much more focused.
Edit cause people can’t think:
I’m discussing history, not calling for, or advocating anything.
I’m not calling for violence, I was remarking that it’s interesting how poorly treated lgbt folks are and how well behaved they are in comparison.
A riot, especially one from many years ago, is not the historical anecdote I was alluding to. The fact that a riot from decades ago was linked to me proves my point.
Lastly, riots are mindless. It’s what a crowd does when anger boils over (as someone said to me) rather than the exact opposite, which is planned, calculated, etc.
I’m not devaluing those affected by the shit that was happening prior to stonewall. I’m saying it’s remarkable that a riot happen instead of people hunting down the cops that were targeting them.
The combination of competence, the necessary skills, intelligence, and most importantly, the willingness to sacrifice oneself to effect change is…rare. It’s also uncertain whether results would be positive.
Consider what is needed to pull off ‘focused’ violence - that is to say, assassination of key targets. You need to be sufficiently skilled to manage at least one successful strike. You cannot communicate with people to do this - it’s far too easy to get caught in the modern day. You need supplies and equipment, and sure, guns are somewhat easy to get in the US, but they aren’t the only thing you need. You need access and information, some of which is public, but some of which can be hard to get, and can draw attention by being sought (keep in mind algorithms are pattern matching to find this stuff).
Then consider the potential outcome of these actions. As mentioned before, organizing is impractical since it would mean getting caught before doing anything with much higher probability. Regardless of your skills, the chance of getting caught approaches 100%. You may be able to take out two or three key senators, or if you’re very good and very lucky, a few supreme court justices, before being caught. At this point you will either be imprisoned, or you commit suicide to avoid this fate.
And what’s the result? Violence of this sort to effect change is hard to pull off, but even harder to predict the outcome of. If you’ve succeeded in all plausible goals, you might manage to change the makeup of the supreme court - that’s probably the best possible outcome you can hope for with this sort of violence, but right now on the gay front, the supreme court shockingly has yet to do anything too bad, so you may not want to provoke that shit. But there are a lot of possible bad outcomes. And as someone smart enough to pull this off, you’re smart enough to see that. It could lead to increasingly strict rules, to retaliation against the group you’re trying to help - it could even be the catalyst to strengthen your opponents position enough to make things worse elsewhere.
The idea of someone killing a bunch of the key bad guys is great, but it has so many impracticalities, and worst of all, such an uncertain and potentially worse outcome that it’s probably just a bad idea overall, even as much as I too sometimes wish someone would just kill some of these motherfuckers already.
Stonewall as a riot isn’t as notable as an outburst as it was a starting point. What would become the LGBTQIA+ of the time were underground. There were frequent police raids of establishments and there was violence all the time but none made the news. It was swept under the rug. Stonewall was noisy and it got a lot of the cis hetro folk actually talking about things that had previously been relegated to innuendo or silence.
In the aftermath of the riots the Queer community noticed and organized. There had been nice quiet liberation marches in the past where people dressed in their Sunday best and tried to look respectable or ride the line so people could be confused about who might actually be breaking some laws in bed. But they devised something noisier than a riot. Taking all the stuff reserved for the clubs and spilling them onto the street. Pride was conceived as an Independence day style celebration with “the Battle of Stonewall” as it’s memorial date. It was conceived at the time as a type of violence, not against people but against the silence. To keep people talking by being unabashed and even they were surprised how many queer people actually existed. The community due to external threat had been anonymized, atomized and carefully concealed so nobody had any clue how many queer people were actually out there. It was always just assumed to be a very few. Prides were hardcore shows of force where people courted arrest and police violence. One could see the continued Pride societies as being a safety measure. They are an organized entity, yes they are largely organizing parades and municipal events… But they are also highly socially connected and technically mobilizable. It’s a measure of keeping in touch and having an internal structure of people who know how to organize.
It’s also important to remember that the community has a continuity problem. There’s not as many queer elders as there should be because AIDS survivorship selected for those who were closeted, lived an exclusive heteronormative life style except for partner or just weren’t out having a good time in public. Those who remained to steer the ship were the quiet and mild mannered who were tangential to the violence. Everyone was slow to move on AIDS because it was thought to be a scourge on the obcene and it mowed down the community in the thousands. The crisis created a stunning loss of experienced liberation fighters at the same time it forged the survivors into a harder core of seige style organization with lesbians at the fore who used primarily beaurcratic means to fight. That beaurcratic framework is what survived and currently endures. It is quieter and fairly peaceable now but technically speaking you need a certain level of hardship and something that makes enough people angry to do violence to cause people to be primed to fight. The LGBTQIA are generally just invested in being happy and living their lives and their strongholds are cities. It’s harder to be queer in a smaller town when people like you are scattered over a distance because those connections are harder to maintain.
We’re out there. Arm the working class and all it’s minorities! (But yeah, defence only)
You’re flirting with a Kanye-style “if I were a slave I’d have fought back” comment.
I’m not, I’m saying it’s remarkable that a people are so poorly treated, and are so well behaved.
I’m not saying I’m some Dwight shrute “I’d go all Jason Bourne”. I’m saying it’s historically interesting that LGBT folks are so well behaved, given how much they are targeted
Gay man calls republicans “filth”, says most don’t want them here
50% don’t like it, 10% don’t care, 40% support it. The part that supports it is good at gerrymandering.
Your math is wrong, it’s closer to 60/10/30, with the problem being that the 30% all live around each other (and are good at gerrymandering)
I honestly think their intent is to just make their states completely uninhabitable to anyone who isn’t a white supremacist. If they can do that with a swing state or at least states that have a significant blue presence, they effectively take the entire government nationwide. They just need to make their policies so completely repulsive to anyone who isn’t them that we stay clear.
Of voters. The vast majority of American people are against This, but the vast majority of American people don’t vote. 
Roughly 80 million people that were eligible to vote in 2020 did not, which pretty average for presidential elections. That is right around 1/3 of the country.
Only around 2%, or around 5 million are disenfranchised due to felonies. Largely black obviously, and much higher in southern States (shocker). Some at around 8% total! And over 1 million of the 5 are from Florida.
we have an overly militarized police force and many literally can’t miss work to fight lol
This is what keeps us in check. If you’re busted by the overly militarized police you will also likely lose the job that you can’t afford to lose, you will go deep into debt, become homeless; which in most states is illegal and you’ll end up in jail.
When I was a younger person, I attended some protests. Then I saw many get broken up by the police, and many people arrested for trivial reasons. Eventually it became less and less worth it.
America, it’s law enforcement and most of the population values property over people. The owning class in America own the police, write the laws and vote R.
Part of the problem is that there are a lot of people who simply aren’t aware of how bad things are now. They aren’t doomscrolling reddit/Lemmy/bluesky/Mastodon, they’re doing other things with their lives. The result is that their awareness lags behind what’s going on and because the US is slipping hard and fast into fascism, they’re still thinking about Trump’s comment on “grabbing 'em by the pussy” while the CPAC is talking about ending democracy.
It’s hard to riot when it’s not right in your backyard, and you’re not networked/less social, propaganda that encourages indifference or ignorance. America has a seriously systemic social problem. You’re definitely right, though.
