90 points

All of these people voting for him are gonna quickly disavow him when the wheels of time turn and history looks down upon them with universal disgust

Hard was find people in Germany who openly admited to supporting a certain party once that party was destroyed. Thank God for social media, people won’t be able to use cheep excuses for being held to account

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54 points

These people voting for him are the same ones that voted for him in 2016 and complained about a stolen election in 2020. At this point they’ve tripled down.

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3 points

It’s even more

According to my favourite nut wing podcast, they now have checks notes the blacks and the gays on their side as well

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4 points

Donald Trump is so unliked that a Woman of Indian heritage is taking about 40℅ of the Republican vote.

The Republican party should be terrified of what this means for a general election.

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As my Dutch grandfather often angrily said, the Dutch resistance gained most of its members in 1945.

But I think it was a useful lie at that point. Better to get on with things, rather than settle scores.

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Better to get on with things, rather than settle scores.

How many problems do we face today because of this misguided notion?

Confederates weren’t punished after the US Civil War, and what did they do after that? The KKK, Jim Crow, “lost cause” myth, redlining, sundown towns, etc, happened because we didn’t beat every inch of racism out of the South. Nixon literally sabotaged an end to hostilities in Vietnam and prolonged the war just to get elected. What’s the word for someone who actively works against their government? Oliver North sold guns to Iran in order to fund right-wing revolutionaries in Nicaragua at Reagan’s direction. GW Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq to justify an invasion, and blew the cover off a CIA operative when she refused to endorse false claims of Uranium enrichment.

And that’s just the ones off the top of my head.

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Confederates weren’t punished after the US Civil War, and what did they do after that?

The ideals and policies the Confederates had during and after the war were abhorrent. That is unquestionable.

However, I struggle to envision what “punishment” for the former Confederate state would have been.

“The population of the Union was 18.5 million. In the Confederacy, the population was listed as 5.5 million free and 3.5 million enslaved. In the Border States there were 2.5 million free inhabitants and 500,000 enslaved people.” source

So 25% of the newly reunited population of the USA was part of the Confederacy. How do you punish 25% of your population? Some kind of tax or restriction of freedom on them? Discrimination against blacks was the primary driver for the war. How could the Union then go on to build a new system that would do that to 25% of its citizens?

We also have history to draw from with regard to punishing an entire aggressor population. Post WWI Germany got smacked down hard with huge debts and restrictions on production as punishment for starting WWI. Most historical analysis I’ve seen says that this punishment was a large contributor to the rise of NAZI Germany just 21 years later.

If the post-civil war US government did the same to the former Confederacy, would the USA have a history including Civil War II?

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Out of curiosity, what city was he in for that? My great grandparents on my Oma’s side were part of the resistance in Haarlem during the war.

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Yes, when he loses in November there’s going to be an epic meltdown in the GOP. Three election cycles and this idiot is the best they have?

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0 points

The list of things I heard less democratic than the idea of holding people to account for who they vote for is pretty short.

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“you are a shitty person who knowingly did shitty things and history will spit on you” is what I mean by being held to account. Nobody will get a free pass from being judged. But I mean like the opinion sense of judgment. Not like getting arrested or anything.

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Oh, that’s fair. You came off kinda militant in your first comment. Cheers.

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We’re not talking about punishing people for voting for Bob Dole here.

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25 points

Here’s hoping she stays in to the primary and splits the Rep. vote.

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10 points

She’s going to dip out before then. Her only real plan is to stay relevant enough to be the defacto candidate should Trump not be able to run or dies.

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In a number of states, you cannot run in the election as a third party candidate if you lost the primary for that state. I’m not sure how widespread that is, but it’s come up in several recent elections. I think they’re even called something like anti-spoiler rules.

I think there’s pollsters who are looking at three way races now (usually throwing in Kennedy), but I don’t know if they’ve been able to say whether he pulls more Trump or Biden voters yet.

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23 points

It is literally ~60%-40% as of right now. I would hardly call that a crushing blow.

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14 points

In politics? 20 points is a huge margin of victory. Anything over 10 is considered a landslide.

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4 points

The rules are different for a second term primary. 85%+ is typical from what I’ve read. Especially when your voter base is bigoted and your opponent is female.

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Maybe for a current incumbent. Not for someone running for the nomination.

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If you’ve ever been to South Carolina, 20 points for Trump seems very low.

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14 points

Absolutely insane to me.

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11 points

What was the turnout? Seriously. I think people need to start taking the primaries more seriously. After this they’re gonna whine about why the quality of candidates in the general election is so bad.

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There are 3,268,506 registered voters in SC. 451,905 voted for Trump in his primary.

13.8% turned out for Trump.

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