“That isn’t happening”
It’s not only happening, it’s supported by the tyrannical left.
Yes. Children should only be allowed to exist so far as a parent lets them. There is no point where they can be allowed freedom to explore and find what makes them happy. The parents ideals for them are always correct and should never be questioned. Any deviation from the parents wishes is always wrong and the only way to preserve society is by strictly enforcing the things students are allowed to talk about.
And you call the people that oppose this line of thinking tyrannical?
People say this isn’t happening to the idea that everything outside is going to force a child to transition. Not telling families about noticing a child is some part of the LBTGQ+ community has gone on for some time now because those kids were being made homeless, physically abused, and murdered by their families when they found out.
So, if for some god forsaken reason, you have kids, I hope the same happens.
I sure don’t hope they have queer kids that they abuse and disown or murder.
The funny thing is, your stupidity is so bad you don’t even know what you are raging against. If you weren’t such a fucking moron, you would have read the ACTUAL policy instead of basing your opinion on the National Review’s selective excerpts from the policy. The ACTUAL policy says that if the students ask to be called anything other than their birth pronouns that the parents should be informed AND that the parents’ choice is honored. It is only discouraged to tell the parents if there is no danger seen AND no change to pronouns.
If anyone wants more context, you can read the document here.
The advice on the subject of informing parents reads:
Telling parents
Note that the ACLU is very protective of a student’s right to privacy in his/her sexuality. If a school employee believes that “a situation exists which presents a serious threat to the well-being of a student,” the employee must notify parents without delay. (Utah Code 53A- 13-302(6)(b)(i)). Other than a threatening situation, volunteering known information about a student’s sexuality with parents is not advised.
Consider the following factors in making a determination about talking to parents:
- Age of students
- Whether student is being bullied based on sexuality or gender identity
- Student requests
- Knowledge of parents’ relationship with students
What if a student asks to be called a preferred name/pronoun and parents object? Unless the student is 18, parents’ requests should govern.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
What if a student asks to be called a preferred name/pronoun and parents object? Unless the student is 18, parents’ requests should govern.
This part makes no sense to me. Don’t inform parents unless the student is OK with it. But if the parent tells the teacher to call the blank and the student disagrees, ignore the student. Is that just to prevent the teacher screwing up and calling the student by their preferred name to the parents accidentally?
I don’t think so - to me it seems more about weighing up the student’s need vs the parents’ decision. The school district want to honor the student’s wishes as much as possible but if they are <18 they are not legally an adult, so the school ultimately should defer to the parents.
Sensible from legal standpoint, even though it would suck for the student.
It’s a really dumb take too, though. What if a student named Annabel wants to be called Anna? When Jacob wants to be called Jake? Do the parents really need to be involved in that? When do we let children start making decisions about their own lives? When they want to take on thousands in student loans at 17? When they don’t do their work and are permanently punished for it? Are they adults or not?
Not arguing with you, just pointing things out.
but if they are <18 they are not legally an adult, so the school ultimately should defer to the parents.
But then what about the rest of these recommendations that say not to tell the parent anything if the child doesn’t wish it? Does the child get to make the decisions on how they present themselves and their identity and who gets to know that or not?
Not evil enough it seems, based on the fact that reactionary types are apparently getting their knickers in a twist over it.
Good chance they’ll be kicked out of their home or worse. There’s an epidemic of lgbt youth homelessness nationwide, and it’s even worse in Utah for obvious reasons. Schools should not be carte blanche informing parents without permission from the student, it’s a safety issue. Reading their full guidance for teachers in another comment above it’s making some very reasonable suggestions to help ensure student safety.
https://www.upr.org/utah-news/2012-06-11/utah-one-of-the-worst-places-to-be-lgbt-and-homeless
Get out of here with that. Utah is solidly in the middle of the pack for child homelessness. California is biggest per capita, four times the rate of Utah. Spreading misinformation doesn’t help anyone. https://homelesslaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2021StateIndexReport.pdf
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-lowest-rates-of-homelessness/
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2024/02/22/states-with-the-biggest-child-homelessness-problem/
I am not spreading misinformation and did not imply that Utah had the worst youth homeless rate in general among all states, we’re talking specifically about lgbt youth homelessness, and the greatly increased dangers of being kicked out of your home and many other types of abuse that LGBT youth face. This is a major problem across the entire country, including Utah. So I think in any state there should be a lot of thought put into whether schools should just start disclosing information like gender or sexual identities to students families, without assessing if that might be putting the student into danger.
Unfortunately Utah refuses to formally gather information on things like gender identity and sexual orientation in its youth homeless population, data that is gathered in many other states, so Utah has deliberately made a direct comparison between states not possible on this issue. You would also need to factor in that many homeless individuals relocate to areas with increased services to help. You would also need to consider if youth feel safe even disclosing this information to a state agency run by a very conservative lgbt hostile state government. If Utah wants to prove it’s better on this issue and that the anecdotal evidence and evidence gathered directly at homeless shelters is wrong, than they can start gathering the data themselves, they’ve had plenty of chances to do so. I’m gonna assume the worst when they refuse to look. Go to any of the lgbt youth homeless centers in Salt Lake City before belittling this problem, and spreading awareness about it is not misinformation.
http://www.nomorestrangers.org/homeless-youth-in-utah/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbt-morman-youth_b_1597617
https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/2/03/suicides-or-not-lds-harming-lgbt-youth#toggle-gdpr
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-plight-of-homeless-yo_b_10205650
I know several LGBT youth because my oldest has been in that world for years. The religious families I know are not the ones who put their child at most risk, oddly. They aren’t always happy about it, but none of them have threatened or hurt their children. Of the ones I know, three are in real danger. Two of those families aren’t religious and one is not active in their faith.
I just think we should be careful about slinging around accusations that aren’t grounded in facts. It leads more children to suicidal behavior because they assume from what people say that their parents’ faith means they won’t be accepted.
Going to the homeless shelters preselects for kids that have issues with their families. That doesn’t say anything about the rates or the likelihood of any given family being a danger.
From a comment to the article:
Dolphan
Feb 22
I contacted a member of the State Education Board, who contacted the Alpine School District. This is what I received back: "I reached out to Alpine school district and asked if they would confirm what we read here. I have received the following response.
Recently, the National Review published an article referencing an Alpine School District document containing guidelines for respecting gender identity. We shared this document with all administrators districtwide two years ago following the Utah State statute. The article misrepresented Alpine School District in what administrators and teachers can and cannot do when it comes to informing parents of students’ requests regarding gender identity.
To clarify, we as educators are not required to report a student’s gender identity unless the student requests informally or formally to be referred to by a different pronoun or name. In this situation, we communicate to the student that we can only honor that request if parents are notified and agree upon the request. The information shared in this article was taken out of context, and, unfortunately, the article communicates that the district somehow withholds information from parents. We value our partnership with our parents, and we, the district, do not hold information from parents that is under our purview to share in support of students."
It would seem someone is not correct or at least not communicating correctly. That would be either NR or Alpine School District. That they choose not to comment or clarify to NR is puzzling. That they did clarify to the State School Board is not so puzzling. Hopefully the above clarification is accurate and reflects actual practice at the classroom level.
Remember the go old days when teachers…
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Taught classes?
I mean…most of my teachers were pretty cool, and we’re caring compassionate humans with a passion for teaching. Most. And a lot of my friends from different schools didn’t even have most. I know 3 people who got ratted on to their parents by their teachers that they were gay. And this was like late 90s early 00s. Luckily they had cool parents who didn’t beat the living shit out of them or kick them out or worse… but that’s absolutely something that has happened forever.
