Public officials in Tennessee can now refuse to grant a marriage license to anyone at their own discretion, for any reason.

Republican Gov. Bill Lee signed into law House Bill 878 on Wednesday, which took effect immediately. The bill — just a few sentences in length — only states that “a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage.” Only state notary publics, government officials, and religious figures can “solemnize” a marriage in Tennessee, according to state code.

None of the sponsors behind the bill have been made public statements on its introduction or passage, nor have they given comment to media organizations. The only known remarks regarding the law from state Rep. Monty Fritts (take a guess), who sponsored it in the House, are from February of last year, when he spoke to the state Subcommittee on Children and Family Affairs.

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“As societal views change about what constitutes a marriage, officiants must be able to refuse to solemnize marriages that are contrary to their beliefs. The government has a responsibility to protect the exercise of religious beliefs," he said, via CNN. "Those with the authority to perform civil ceremonies would also be permitted to refuse to solemnize marriage for reasons of conscience.”

So if someone’s religion did not believe “christianity” was a valid religion, they could refuse to give a license to a christian couple.
Be careful what power you give the people, they can use it against you.

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This is the only way anything like this changes. Hopefully some folks at city hall will do just this and turn it around on the doofuses.

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25 points

Kim Davis flashbacks.

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TIL She had a meeting with the Pope).

After receiving a surprise phone call from a church official, the Kentucky county clerk says she traveled to Washington, D.C., where she and her husband Joe met the pope Sept. 24 at the Vatican Embassy.

“I put my hand out and he reached and he grabbed it, and I hugged him and he hugged me,” Davis said. “And he said, ‘thank you for your courage.’”

Religious freedom only exists to enforce religion and deny other freedoms.

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4 points

Yes

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Gross.

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21 points

Satanic Temple, if you’re reading this…

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Ordained Ministers of Satan can perform weddings…but they’re more about proving a point by allowing everyone to do something, rather than by restricting people. So they’d be good ones to go to to officiate marriages if refused elsewere.

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@prole @Teon

Unfortunately, one of the conservatives’ strategies at play here is they only give “right of conscience” to people with political power over other people.

They aren’t giving normal citizens the right to object to anything, they’re giving unelected officers the right to torment those beneath them.

And unless you’re willing to be as evil to innocent people as they are, you can’t fight that war.

In the end what they’re destroying here is the rule of law itself.

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If I were in a government position in TN that gave out marriage licenses, I would stop giving them to straight couples… It’s not evil, it’s a protest to make a point.

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Only if good people can get into the public offices in the first place.

No cookie for guessing what will the secret interview question to become a marriage officer will be in those States.

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“Not if we gerrymander and marginalize them, until our great Leader returns and removes them all.” - (voters who wish to remain anonymous)

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Yes.

Honestly I don’t see the problem. If someone wants a religious ceremony then they should agree to the rules of that religion. If they religion doesn’t want to do it that should be religious freedom.

If they don’t want a religious ceremony then they can get a civil partnership or whatever which is legally the same without the religious marriage. Or go to another religion.

Religion is stupid in my opinion and the more ridiculous it is allowed to be (excluding forcing children or people outside of the religion to do things) then I think fucking go for it, it will allow people to see the ridiculousness and turn people off.

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County clerks are an elected position in TN. If someone were to refuse to sanctify Christian unions then they would be out of a job the next election cycle or more likely removed from office.

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In the name of Baphoment, ruler of Satan, prince of darkness, I pronounce you man and whore!

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The most terrifying aspect is that it isn’t just gay marriage at stake here - Interracial marriages, atheist marriages, inter-abled marriages… ALL marriages are at risk if a person you’ve never met won’t sign a piece of paper.

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48 points

Find one who refuses to marry Republicans, or whites, or straight couples and watch the bitching fly.

Be funnier if alot went along with it.

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7 points

Hey I remember you, any luck on that feeding Taylor Swift Taco Bell to turn your wife bisexual thing?

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7 points

Not yet, not for lack of trying.

Saying that, she’s flying out for a “girls weekend” and her friend is hot and slutty, and there will be wine.

I can hope

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Moonies do have a religious argument against solemnizing same race marriages. They won’t, and they’re a cult, but they are the only religion to my knowledge to prioritize interracial marriage

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Very well. Despite having no power to perform a wedding and certainly not in a state I have only been to one time in my life I am officially declaring that I will not marry a straight couple. It umm goes against my religion. The first church of anidiotsayswhat.

Your love Tennessee, your move

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I’m trans, that’s been the case for me… my entire gender identity at one point hinged on me making empty legal threats I had no way to back up to gaslight people at the DMV to sign off on something that I already had enough legal documentation to get signed off on.

There was a time when I was federally Female and in my state Male.

Thank God the bitch behind the register who kept using “It” and “They” to refer to me didn’t call my bluff about “Coming back with my Lawyer”… soon as I said that, she clammed up, used the correct pronouns and gave me an F on the gender marker.

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Fucking hells they called you “it”?! I am really sorry you had to experience that. Where I am she would be lucky to keep her job.

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11 points

This was back in 2012/2011 the world’s changed a lot since then, today, the paperwork would likely be enough unless I was in an insanely red county

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Personally I think marriages should only be allowed if both people own a domestic vehicle.

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You just banned everyone in NYC from getting married

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Do they drive imports?

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Do horses count?

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Not if it’s Arabian.

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Can you fuck the pope bareback in the woods?

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/s? I’m guessing so, but you can never be sure out here lol.

If not /s, then why?

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2 points

My grandma was driving a civic when she drunkenly drove into a tree.

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2 points

Wouldn’t want any of them horrible poor people to have a shot at happiness

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I just really hate KIAs.

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9 points

Interracial marriage is safe until Justice Thomas hits a rough spot in his marriage.

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What’s done in secret brings public shame. Those legislators are a disgrace.

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Agreed. Unfortunately, the Tennessee House of Reps have been making an ass of themselves for quite some time and it may not change any time soon. Though one can hope voters start doing the right thing and ousting these conniving bigots.

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Looks like they remembered that three new conservative Supreme Court justices had been added, and figured it was time to start chipping away at gay marriage.

And…This is what happens when the Supreme Court decides stare decisis is optional. If the Court doesn’t respect prior decisions, be prepared for every single issue to be re-litigated after members are added to or leave the Court.

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GOP continue to be pieces of trash. I really wish the party would just die off, but Trumpism gave them a bolder fascist to believe in.

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Now tell me, what do you think about banks refusing service to LibsofTikTok ?

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It’s bad when private entities discriminate. It’s a million times worse when the government does.

Edit: I did forget to mention though, being a bitch isn’t a protected class…sexual orientation is.

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Agreed! Refusing to service customers based on their Sexual Orientation is EXACTLY like refusing to service customers who use your service to threaten to bomb Elementary Schools and Children’s Hospitals!

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Anyone who defends Chaya Raichik should be dumped in the same pit with her. I’m just glad you assholes always out yourselves.

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If a gay person ran a business whose clientele had a disproportionally high rate of people who actively call in bomb threats to elementary schools, you might have made a really great point right here.

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All she does is repost stuff that people posted themselves and you hold her responsible for people calling bomb threats. Why don’t you hold the people posting that shit responsible themselves?

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Love it. We don’t need official institutions enabling hatred. Yes, banks are evil otherwise, but we don’t need public culture war nonsense from them as well.

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14 points

Sounds good to me. Go fash, go die in the trash.

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It’s a good start? Can we punch them in other places that hurt? More please?

Take your pick. I feel all 3 earnestly.

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A government official ought to be bound to perform their duty to all citizens whereas a bank is allowed to pick and choose whom it will do business with. Anything else I can clear up for you chief?

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Private businesses can refuse service to those they don’t want to do business with as long as they aren’t doing it on race, gender, sexuality or something along those lines. A shitty tiktoker doesn’t have that protection.

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banks are part of the government?

no?

this is a pointless argument then.

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