This article describes a new study using AI to identify sex differences in the brain with over 90% accuracy.

Key findings:

  • An AI model successfully distinguished between male and female brains based on scans, suggesting inherent sex-based brain variations.
  • The model focused on specific brain networks like the default mode, striatum, and limbic networks, potentially linked to cognitive functions and behaviors.
  • These findings could lead to personalized medicine approaches by considering sex differences in developing treatments for brain disorders.

Additional points:

  • The study may help settle a long-standing debate about the existence of reliable sex differences in the brain.
  • Previous research failed to find consistent brain indicators of sex.
  • Researchers emphasize that the study doesn’t explain the cause of these differences.
  • The research team plans to make the AI model publicly available for further research on brain-behavior connections.

Overall, the study highlights the potential of AI in uncovering previously undetectable brain differences with potential implications for personalized medicine.

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inherent sex-based brain variations

These findings could lead to personalized medicine approaches by considering sex differences in developing treatments for brain disorders.

Yep. There are observable differences and it is good we are increasingly able to take them into account.

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I would be curious what this would predict for trans (including those both on and off hormone therapy), intersex, or homosexual individuals. My guess is that at a minimum in those cases it’s accuracy of predicting either their gender or sex would be very poor, although it would be absolutely fascinating if it accurately predicted their gender rather than their sex. The opposite result (predicting sex but not gender) would also be interesting but less so.

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I’d be very interested in those results too, though I’d want everyone to bear in mind the possibility that the brain could have many different “masculine” and “feminine” attributes that could be present in all sorts of mixtures when you range afield from whatever statistical clusterings there might be. I wouldn’t want to see a situation where a transgender person is denied care because an AI “read” them as cisgender.

In another comment in this thread I mentioned how men and women have different average heights, that would be a good analogy. There are short men and tall women, so you shouldn’t rely on just that.

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I have a suspicion that this is exactly what’s going on here and may be why past studies found no differences. AI is much better at quickly synthesizing complex patterns into coherent categories than humans are.

Also, 90% is not that good all things considered. The brain is almost certainly a complex mix of features that defy black and white categorization.

Hopefully we will be wise enough to not require trans people to prove their trans-ness scientifically. People have a right to do what they wish with their bodies and express their gender in a way that feels right to them, and should not be required to match some artificial physical diagnosis of what it means to be trans. Even if it turns out that most trans people do share certain brain structures or patterns. There will always be exceptions and that doesn’t mean we get to label someone’s identity as inauthentic.

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Unlikely as it might be, maybe the 10% error rate is from gender queer people that haven’t realized/faced it yet.

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Given any finite data set above a trivially small size/complexity, and an undefined set of criteria, the odds of meaningless patterns appearing are extremely high.

Machine learning algorithms are basically automated P-hackers when misused. Be skeptical of any conclusions drawn from ML that are not otherwise verifiable.

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Someone else mentioned the iris test being more accurate but that it also includes the eye area around the iris, including eyelashes and eye shape. That would clearly bias the model.

I wonder if there’s anything else that’s might be giving clues to the machine or if it I limited to what they say it’s determining sex based on. As a trans-nonbinary person myself, I’m very skeptical and anxious about technologies like this leading to biases and prejudices being emboldened.

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Just a guess but if they labeled training data either male or female then i believe its more likely that it detects biological sex…

But if i they would also label and train on lgbt brains then i bet machine learning can differentiate between all of those.

I bet you can do the same thing with neurodivergent people but you would need to make sure the training data is without error to make me trust it.

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There are short men and tall women, so you shouldn’t rely on just that.

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Height is a single value. If you trained an AI on that, it would be guessing. A brain has many, many more parameters to take into consideration when going into an artificial neural network.

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That just makes my point stronger, though. The basic gist of what I was saying is that even if there is a statistical clustering of data into two groups that seem correlated with some category, that doesn’t mean that you can absolutely rely on that data to classify people into those categories.

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Anecdotally, women develop language earlier than men as children.

The MtF trans person I know most closely was in the 90th percentile for their birth sex in early language development.

I suspect it might well show trans brain differences.

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That’s interesting. I and my father are both hyperlexic (as in, taught ourselves to read, in my case, before I could speak) but not trans or autistic.

I wonder how that mixes into the fold?

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The opposite result (predicting sex but not gender) would also be interesting but less so

I disagree. It could be wildly interesting if somebody born a male got a scan and it revealed a female brain. Dunno if “anti-trans” people would agree then that a sex-change is valid or if they’d disagree and start finding other excuses.

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Assuming I’m understanding your point that would be a mis-categorization. I’m assuming you meant a straight non-trans male was scanned and the result predicted a female brain was scanned (a result matching neither the sex nor gender)? I was saying it would be less interesting if it scanned say a female-to-male trans person and returned a result of female (correctly guessing the sex but not the gender), than if it had returned a result of male (that is correctly guessing the gender but not the sex). It would also be interesting if it could detect trans people in general as their own unique group.

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I do mean person born a male that wants to become female. Anti-trans people often make points that trans people are just forced into being trans by the trans-mafia (or whatever term they use) aka social pressure. A brain scan indicating a female brain would counter that. But as I said, they’d probably find other excuses “it’s a mental disease that can be treated” and so on and so forth.

I was saying it would be less interesting if it scanned say a female-to-male trans person and returned a result of female (correctly guessing the sex but not the gender), than if it had returned a result of male (that is correctly guessing the gender but not the sex).

That would embolden the anti-trans crowd.

Science is ongoing though, so who knows what the results will be.

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Brains change over time. The outcome and interpretations of this study sound like they have more chance of causing harm than good.

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People’s heights change over time too. Men and women can nevertheless have different average heights.

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Yes, but I’ve heard theories and read studies in the past that suggest the differences in sexuality change over time, also. Like, studies have documented that women can go back and forth from being gay and straight, while men might go gay later in life but never change back. Supposedly there is some mental rewiring that goes on alongside this, however not as something that has been quantifiably measured, only qualitatively observed.

I think this AI processing could be a useful tool in further analysis against this and other hypotheses, but I worry that given the emotionally charged discussions around transgender nature the results will be far too easily misconstrued.

Height is pretty consistent. You grow until adolescence, then maybe you shrink a bit later in life. Men are generally taller than women, but only on average. That doesn’t really have anything to do with neurology.

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The text of the study says they specifically focused on a segment of the dataset from 20-35 years old to minimuze variation among the sex cohorts.

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That’s cool, but that doesn’t stop wild misinterpretation of the study and its conclusions.

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That’s true of every study ever made, especially in today’s media environment.

And every probably done study includes acknowledgments of known shortcomings, most of the ones I’ve read include suggestions or thoughts about future studies that could be done to account for those known issues.

Media is to blame for most of the misinterpretations, not the studies themselves. It’s impossible to create a single, perfect study that can’t be misconstrued in some way.

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Found myself a copy of the paper for a read-through and it’s immediately obvious to me why they couldn’t get above 90% accuracy.

The word “Gender” occurs exactly zero times in the text and the datasets they worked with were divided into a strict sex binary. As a result, the accuracy of their models’ predictions could not significantly improve upon prior work in the field.

The only new info here is that their XAN is able to point out the specific brain features that influenced its predictions. Potentially useful with regards to the development of treatments for gendered brain issues in neurotypical people, but anyone who falls outside of the 90th percentile of sexually dimorphic normativity won’t see any benefit here.

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10% seems a bit more than was predicted, but would that account for those who don’t fit the peaks for the sexual dimorphism definitions, you think?

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I think so. With a more diverse dataset and fewer binary assumptions baked into the analysis I think we’d start seeing the bimodal contours of a spectrum between the masculine and feminine peaks. The graphics included in the study seem to hint at this, showing nodes of similarity with a tapering tail toward the middle of the distribution for all three sets of data they analyzed:

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IIRC Simon Baron Cohen’s studies on his (IMHO poorly named) extreme male brain theory of autism found that only 70% of men had “male brains”.

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It’s not unusual for studies like these to exclude people taking medication, or with any kind of medical condition, such as gender dysphoria, autism ,etc. It’s to control as many variables as possible.

(I’ve personally been excluded from FMRI studies for being autistic and left handed.)

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It doesn’t sound like they excluded trans or genderqueer people, they just ignored their gender. Or maybe I’m reading it wrong, but?

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I don’t doubt that there are inherent differences between the brains of most men and women, but “we can measure these differences” and “these differences are inherent” are two different claims. I don’t really get what the article is trying to get at by first claiming the latter and then walking back to the former.

btw can someone post the full PDF I can’t access it via sci-hub yet


Edit: Also a tangential nitpick, but looking at their code I can tell that they’re psychiatrists/neuroscientists first and programmers second lol

“CNN Block 1” comment used twice?

They skip layer 5? (Why even keep it in there??)

A linear layer with 2 outputs??? And then they do “_, predicted = torch.max(outputs.data, 1)” in the training script??? JUST USE 1 OUTPUT WITH A SIGMOID I’M BEGGING YOU

And there’s a lot going on in the “utilityFunctions.py” file lol

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I would guess clickbait

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More like a proof of concept, since they didn’t significantly improve upon the accuracy of their predictions compared to prior models.

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Good God that utility file.

For the record, I’ve earned some serious cash essentially chasing around data scientists and whipping their code into production readiness and deployability. So, carry on I guess. I’ve literally seen code like this that a company relies on, that runs one one dudes laptop (but he’s a PhD and the brainz of the product! Lol)

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