“They were attacking my faith. It bothered me to the core,” said Sara, a Southern Baptist who identifies as pro-life. “Because I had never viewed [IVF] as wrong, as anything other than beautiful and bringing another life into the world. … I’ve actually had a lot of friends pray for me and encourage me and help me along in the process.”
Did they not realize that the womens rights that the left have fought for also included conservative women?
“I never thought the leapords would eat MY face” says member of the Leapords Eating Peoples Faces party
“Because I had never viewed [IVF] as wrong…” is not a justification. I rarely swear, but from the bottom of my heart fuck the people of any religion or political ideology who believe they have some special pipeline to absolute truth. And an extra helping if they believe that gives them the right to legislate their beliefs onto everyone else.
Honestly I don’t think one can be against abortion and for IVF without doing a whole bunch of mental gymnastics.
How can you ban “aborting” embryos that are in the womb but support IVF which results in way more “aborted” embryos.
It’s either be against both or support both.
How can you ban “aborting” embryos that are in the womb but support IVF which results in way more “aborted” embryos.
The exact way they are doing here: insist that they’re somehow different and avoid thinking about the logical result of their beliefs in order to escape cognitive dissonance.
You may be overestimating how familiar they are with the specifics of IVF. It could be perceived as simply as “IVF means more babies, which is good, because I want babies. But abortion means less babies, which is bad.”
If those people like that perception, they will resist or deny any further detail that would jeopardize those perceptions to remain willfully ignorant, especially if they have utilized IVF themselves. The cognitive dissonance would be too strong otherwise.
Feels like an old variant on the trolley problem.
I’d guess their view is something like, with an abortion, if you don’t, there’s a baby, but with an unimplanted embryo, if you do nothing there’s no baby. Essentially absolving people for not taking an action, even though the outcome is the same as those they condemn when an action is taken in a similar situation. But it’s also weird and telling how they’re now arguing that just having more babies be born is some kind of implicit positive.
They don’t see mental gymnastics as a problem in my experience. They make all these rules for how everyone should live and then naturally it sucks if you actually comply 100%, so they find ways to make the things they want ok (usually only for them though). They want babies, so actually it’s totally fine to dispose of unused embryos. See also: modesty standards, gender roles, social programs, and so on.
One of the fascinating aspects of modern politics is how rapidly the malice shifts. It has to, given the rapid advances science offers to society. 20 years ago, IVF, abortion, and contraceptives were very visibly on the chopping block due to republicans… republicanning. Nowadays they’re broadly accepted.
The accelerating shifts in social pressures have created a sort of compartmentalization of bigotry in new voters while older voters hate just the same as they ever have, plus a few new things they picked up along the way. Tom Parker, 72, fulfilled one aspect of his ancient bigotry. Despite everyone talking about it constantly, the new bigots barely recognize the old bigots for what they are. It’d be more interesting if their actions weren’t killing people.
These are the very same people who also get abortions but insist that their circumstances are somehow different.
You can’t believe that a fertilized egg is a human being and also do IVF. Because typically 15 harvested eggs will lead to 12 fertilized eggs will end up with a few viable eggs which will end up with one pregnancy (if you’re lucky). That’s 11 murdered “children” by their definition.
They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Hard “it effects me, so now it’s a problem.” energy here
