When I eat chicken, I call it chicken. Chicken wing; chicken drumsticks etc.

When I eat lamb, I call it lamb. Lamb shank; lamb cutlets.

So why do I not eat pig or cow? I eat pork or beef. Is there a reason for that?

24 points

It’s because of the Norman conquest of England. Basically, the ruling nobility spoke French and the lower classes spoke English. The peasants who were in charge of livestock spoke English so pig, cow, and chicken stuck around. But it was mostly the upper classes who ate the meats so they used French words at the dinner table (beef from boeuf, pork from porc, poultry from poulet, etc.).

permalink
report
reply
30 points

Chicken has Its own “Norman” word, which is “poultry”.

permalink
report
reply
2 points

Same for lamb, mutton

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

True. I think someone else pointed this out as well. But I don’t eat a poultry drumstick. The English language is a funny thing!

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

This phenomenon is far from exceptional to English though.

permalink
report
parent
reply
81 points
*

Because of the Norman invasion. 1066 and all that. (edit: specifically, after a time the peasants spoke English and looked after the animals, the nobility spoke french and named the food, so we got the English words for the animals and the French words for most of the farm animals were used for the food made from them)

permalink
report
reply
16 points

Interesting but doesn’t quite answer the question.

Boeuf is the French word for beef, not cow. So the question is still why do we call it roast boeuf instead of roast vache?

To be more confusing, cow is the term for the female of the species, in this case cattle, but female whales are also called cows.

Does vache mean cow or does vache mean cattle?

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Boeuf is the male cow. Vache is a female.

permalink
report
parent
reply
29 points

The French eating it called it beef, the English raising it called it cow. The french didn’t call it roast cow because they were eating it as food, thus beef.

The above poster explained your question already.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

Quand je mange du poulet, je l’appelle poulet. Aile de poulet; pilons de poulet etc.

Quand je mange de l’agneau, je l’appelle agneau. Jarret d’agneau; côtelettes d’agneau.

Alors pourquoi est-ce que je ne mange pas de cochon ou de vache ? Je mange du porc ou du boeuf.

Quelle est la raison de ceci?

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Perfect and succinct answer.

permalink
report
parent
reply
42 points

If it involves food or the culinary arts, then chances are good France and the French language is involved.

permalink
report
reply
17 points

Tagger below explains it but also wanted to chime in that chicken is often “poultry”, but over time, we became comfortable with “chicken”.

permalink
report
reply
18 points

Not exactly. The poultry family includes other fowl/birds, including turkey and duck.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

true! I poorly was thinking about poultry as a derivative of french words.

permalink
report
parent
reply

No Stupid Questions

!nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

Create post

No such thing. Ask away!

!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others’ questions on various topics.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.



Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That’s it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it’s in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.



Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.

If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.

Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Credits

Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!

The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!

Community stats

  • 9.8K

    Monthly active users

  • 3K

    Posts

  • 116K

    Comments