Can I use my german passport to travel to USA or do I use my US passport?

And if I lived and worked in germany my whole life and never in the USA and never filed taxes can I enter USA without problems?

I just found out I am us citizen a few years ago don’t ask why but I’m 34 and recently traveled to US with my german passport and they were all like “wtf where is your passport” and I’m like: “Here…” and they “Yeah your american passport?!” and I’m “I’m german” and he is like: “Dude you are born on american ground you are american!”

Well they let me travel in to the states without american passport but told me to go to the embassy as soon as I arrive back in germany or else I won’t be able to enter USA again.

That being said, I done that. Now I have my american passport. But do I show both passports or only US passport? And after doing my research I found out americans file taxes every year. I haven’t done it the last 18 years of working. Should I just not file? I will never work in the USA and I will never live in the USA. Or will I get problems at the airport? Can they see I don’t file?

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Leave Germany either your German passport. Enter the US with your US passport. Leave US with you US passport. Re-enter Germany with your German passport. Easy. Unless you are very wealthy the IRS aren’t going to come looking for you on a short stay.

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I agree. This is what I do. Carry both in case that ask for the other.

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I always carry all my passports when travelling. Gives you some options for embassies to flee to when shit hits the fan.

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Well this makes murder mystery articles that say “…and he had 6 passports in his hotel room” much less interesting.

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This is the way.

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If you were born in the USA, lived in Germany your whole life, and only recently learned of your US citizenship, you need to seek legal advice from a German law firm or from the government. I suspect that getting your US passport was a huge mistake. You may want to contest the validity of your citizenship, as it doesn’t sound like it offers you any benefits, and might actually be a financial liability.

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OP read this, they’re absolutely right - lawyer up!

Cause in the U. S. if you want to renounce your U. S. citizenship, you must settle your debts - which includes filing your U. S. Taxes.

… and yes, as a U. S. Citizen you need to file U. S. Taxes *even if you’ve never set foot in the U. S. *.

Note: there are double taxation laws between the U. S. and Germany, which prevent you from needing to pay taxes in U. S. (up to 100k / year or so), but you still must file them.

Also, as a U. S. Citizen, you’ll need to file annually a FBAR with the IRS. This is basically a disclosure to the IRS that you have non-u.s. bank accounts (that exceed, in total, 20k usd / year).

The point being is that, in theory, there could be fines for not doing this, which (in theory) you would have to pay before being allowed to renounce your citizenship.

In practice, the IRS is pretty approachable - so you probably won’t have an issue, but you’ll definitely want decide if you want to keep the U. S. Citizenship (and the work associated with it: annual taxes and fbar) or renounce it.

The (only) upshot of filing U. S. taxes abroad if you have kids is that you qualify for a Child Tax Credit. Which amounts to 1000 usd / kid / year (I don’t know if the kids need to have U. S. Citizenship or not)

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Afaik your kids (under 18) are US citizens if you yourself are a citizen.

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I don’t disagree, but why would him getting a US passport matter? Either way, he would still be a US Citizen.

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Because getting the passport and traveling with it makes it pretty official. If you’ve never held a passport, it could be easier to argue that the citizenship isn’t valid at all, rather than having to go through the very expensive process of renouncing.

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I don’t see why that distinction matters. The US has documentation saying OP was born in the US. That alone is enough to say he’s a citizen.

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Because the US taxes it citizens. Regardless where they live

(oversimplified)

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You can be a US Citizen without a passport. That was half the point of OP’s case lol

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The US does not recognize dual citizenship if you are a US citizen then you must use your US passport to enter the country.

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Important distinction - the US doesn’t recognize it, but it also does not forbid it. You don’t need to renounce anything, but in the eyes of the US federal government, you’re a US citizen.

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Always enter and exit the US with your US passport. Not doing so is illegal.

For anything else, use your German passport, especially in the EU. That’s what I have been doing for years.

I don’t know if it is an issue for immigration, but you absolutely are required to file taxes every year and can get in trouble if you don’t. There’s a “streamlined procedure” that you can do if you’ve never filed taxes to start filing without incurring any fines or penalties.

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As a dual citizen, you are required to show your passport if citizenship for the receiving country - I have dual citizenship and it feels weird to show one passport to get on a plane and another to get off, but it’s what a customs officer will ask of you when you arrive.

Since OP was never an American resident or paid taxes, he or she shouldn’t need to file taxes or be flagged on a system for anything anyway.

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Since OP was never an American resident or paid taxes, he or she shouldn’t need to file taxes or be flagged on a system for anything anyway.

Unfortunately the US is one of two countries that requires all citizens, regardless of past or present residence or employment, to pay federal taxes.

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A US citizenship, regardless of whether you have a passport or have lived in the US, requires filing a tax return to the IRS every year. It doesn’t mean that you owe any money, but you still need to file.

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Myeah sort of. I never had any problem coming into the U.K. on my Danish passport until after Brexit. Then they suddenly started demanding that I show my U.K. passport to enter.

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my guy…

US citizens are obligated to enter the US on their US passport. They are also obligated to file taxes regardless of where they live. As a US citizen, you could be living on Mars for your whole life and still have to file US taxes.

You also have what, 6 years of back taxes to file? You should find a CPA with knowledge us US/German tax laws to prepare that for you. There may be treaties in place.

As someone else said, there’s also the selective service you were supposed to have registered for

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I pay taxes in Germany, I earn about 40.000 € a year. So I don’t know.

I tried the IRS homepage but my english isn’t good enough to file taxes. I don’t understand much.

I am 35 years old and the lady that gave me my american passport tried to explain to me that I don’t have to sign up for selective service anymore, I am too old lol. I didn’t understand much of what she explained but she said: “it’s fine don’t sign up for it it’s for young people” and sent me out of the embassy in munich.

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Selective Service is “the draft”. It’s where the country can force you into military service.

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