I vaguely remember a user debunking this claim but I cannot find that comment and I don’t remember what post it was on.

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Communism works on paper, but in practice it is hunted down and destroyed by the CIA :V

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Communism always works. Every single time it has been implemented it has been a success; drastically improving the conditions of the vast majority of the lives of the people in those countries, establishing the world’s most proven successful education system, offering the only avenue for nations to escape imperialism, overthrow occupation, and develop up and out of poverty from under conditions of exploitation, eliminating unemployment, progressing science and culture more than ever before in their nation’s timeline of existence, and providing the most value-efficient and successful healthcare systems the world has ever seen.

Continuing to this day, Marxist-Leninist governments remain, in nearly every case, the absolute best government in their respective nation’s entire histories — especially for the poor and minorities — and are deeply missed by the majority of people that lived under communism (and no longer do), who also overwhelmingly regret it’s end.

Communists saved the world from Hitler and fascism, took humans to space; they united and advanced China from a backwards, subservient nation to the position of the next world superpower. Communism made Cuba an international leader in medicine, who recently saved the much richer Italy during COVID-19, developed the DPRK into a cutting edge nuclear power, and liberated more of the planet from the most powerful empires in the world — more often and more successfully — than any other ideology or system, ever before and ever

Capitalism has violently forced its way into nearly every facet of every corner of the world, and socialist states are the only projects that have ever threatened to resist, repel, and overturn that domination, and it is only Marxist-Leninist projects that have ever neared the completion of that objective, thus far, in history.

Communism works, and it works so effectively, all the time, so much so that the only way to get it to stop working is to have the most powerful empires in existence intervene in opposition to it, and even they can only boast mixed success. Communism has always worked, it will always work, and it continues to work right now, even as you continue to deny it.

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Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:

USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:

In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:

GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:

The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:

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USSR produced many firsts in the realm of science and technology:

  • 1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile R-7 Semyorka
  • 1957: First orbiting satellite, Sputnik 1
  • 1957: First living in orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
  • 1957: First nuclear powered icebreaker “Lenin” weighing in at 19,240 tons of steel
  • 1958: First Tokamak thermonuclear experimental system
  • 1959: First man-made object to leave the Earth’s orbit, Luna 1
  • 1959: First communication to and from Luna 1 with Earth
  • 1959: First object to pass near the moon, and the first object in orbit around the Moon, Luna 1
  • 1959: First satellite hit the moon, Luna 2
  • 1959: First images of the dark side of the moon, Luna 3
  • 1960: First satellite to be launched to Mars, the Marsnik 1
  • 1961: First satellite to Venus, Venera 1
  • 1961: First person to enter orbit around the Earth, Yuri Gagarin in Vostok 1
  • 1961: First person to spend a day in orbit, Gherman Titov – Vostok 2
  • 1962: First flight of two astronauts, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
  • 1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
  • 1964: First flight of several astronauts, Voskhod 1
  • 1965: First spacewalk, Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
  • 1965: First probe to another planet Venus, Venera 3
  • 1966: First probe to descend on the moon and send from there, Luna 9
  • 1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
  • 1967: First meeting of unmanned Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188, this aws not achieved by US until 2006
  • 1969: First docking and crew exchange in orbit, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5
  • 1970: First signals sent to the moon by Luna 16
  • 1970: First mobile robot, Lunokhod 1
  • 1970: First data sent by a probe from another planet (Venus), Venera 7
  • 1971: First space station, Salyut 1
  • 1971: First satellite in orbit around Mars and landing on Mars 2
  • 1975: First satellite in orbit around Venus and sending data to earth, Venera 9
  • 1984: First woman to walk in space, Svetlana Savitskaja on Salyut 7
  • 1986: First team to visit two space stations Salyut and Mir
  • 1986: First permanent space station in Earth orbit from 1986 to 2001, MIR
  • 1987: First team to spend more than a year aboard Mir, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov

These are just some of the biggest technological and social achievements of the Soviet Union.

academic studies on USSR

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possilbe:

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

So, how do people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?

The Free market paradise goes East chapters in Blackshirts and Reds details some more results of the transition to capitalism.

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There is something that I want to nip in the bud before anybody brings it up. A counterargument that some anticommunists like to repeat is that all of Soviet space exploration was based on the work of Axis scientists, ergo the ‘Mongol hordes’ never really invented anything. I’ve mentioned this before, but I’ll still repeat it:

When the Allies reclaimed Nordhausen it was the anticommunists, not the Soviets, who ended up with the larger share of the scientific materials.

The remaining Axis scientists that the Soviets did capture still had to live in unglamorous conditions: on some projects the Soviet authorities limited the rôle of the Axis specialists merely to consultation and practical training.

Finally, three anticommunist rocket experts confirmed that by 1952 the U.S.S.R. had sent most of these Axis scientists back home, and that the Soviets (obviously) made major strides on their own.

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Name me 2 deindustrialised feudal States that have transitioned to become world superpowers without imperialism and colonisation. uSSR and China.

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The USSR went from a semi-feudal backwater that lost WWI and a ton of European territory to winning WWII and putting the first humans in space

Inside of one generation

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And then it collapsed due to corruption, central planning and budget deficits.

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And were the people of the former USSR better off?

Male life expectancy at birth in Russia fell by six years between 1991 and 1994, from an already-low 63.4 years to 57.4 years over that period, an almost unprecedented decrease in life expectancy in three years.Footnote1 Female life expectancy followed a similar but less extreme pattern, falling from 74.2 to 71.1 years from 1991 to 1994

If your government is better than what came before it and better than what came after it…

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Capitalism doesn’t even work on paper or demonstrably in reality.

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Oh it works. Just not for the vast majority of people.

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Not even then. Even if you look at the billionaires in their doomsday bunkers, their food supply will break down as well at some point after the rest of humanity succumbs to the climate crisis or the ongoing mass extinction event. It is impossible to decouple themselves from the fate of the working class, and the design of their lives is a delusion. Capitalism, no matter how you attempt to modify, reduce, or extend it, is inherently unsustainable in the long run

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Sam Bankman Fried wants to buy Nauru to set it up as a doomsday island for his buddies. Not very smart seeing as how it’s probably gonna get hit VERY hard by Climate Change

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Good one

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“They talk about the failures of socialism, well where is the success of capitalism in Asia, Africa, and Latin America?”

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