In the past week and a half, I’ve noticed Reddit behaviors starting to try and poison all of the places that people are taking refuge in to get away from the toxicity, myself included. They’ve started to DDoS Lemmy for a while, which is a Reddit thing to do and what they’re notorious of doing whenever they feel they don’t like something.
And now they’ve been trickling in numbers, these incredibly toxic users that behave as they would on Reddit. The reckless shitposting, derailing open civil discussions with unfunny and irrelevant jokes. The downvote brigading and banding together to get you banned. This exact thing has happened to me on Lemmy, that I had to leave because the toxicity was gradually building.
We should reject Reddit toxicity in general, tell them they don’t have a place here or anywhere. They know where they can dump their shit in, but they feel that because they’ve made mountains of it, that they’ve got to come over to other places and do it all over again.
I left Reddit because the toxicity levels have gotten unbearable. I really am yearning for a place where I can talk in and not be antagonized. I’m sure others are too.
Let Reddit go lol, it’s making you paranoid.
The idea that Reddit is staging some nefarious conspiracy to “poison” fediverse spaces … is losing the whole plot.
OP’s straight up writing fanfiction trying to cast a site they just left as villains in some swashbuckling coming-of-age story. It’s a nine-hour-old account, and they’re already embracing the Us vs Them mentality and trying to sell it with prose.
I don’t know how OP managed to pick fights within a couple hours of signing up for their account, but I’d suggest that if they left Reddit for “toxicity” only to immediately find it here too … maybe they’re carrying it around with them?
I’m 99% sure OP has made multiple accounts to try to sell their 'ex-Redditors are evil" schtick. I saw a post this morning from someone with a similar name pretty much saying the same thing.
Painting Reddit as a monolith in general is a problem, too. “Reddit is toxic?” Some subs, sure. But certainly not the ones I subscribed to. Some of them might have had bad actors here and there. But they were usually dealt with by the mods.
In the end, the only toxicity that drove me away from Reddit was the toxicity from the CEO.
The idea that Reddit is staging some nefarious conspiracy to “poison” fediverse spaces … is losing the whole plot.
That’s exactly what They’d say. 🤔
Do you just love living a life, where you think you know everything and place people in some little organizer that you define people as, personally? Because you’re doing exactly the same thing as you’re claiming as to what I’m doing, just to make yourself look better and righteous.
That’s the kind of mentality I see all around Reddit as also. Nobody is accountable for their own behavior, it’s always the other person’s fault and it’s always the other person who is the toxic one. Somehow. Someway. Despite condemning evidence to the contrary for all to see, how it’s all of the people pegging rocks at them. It’s exactly how it is in school, with bullying, only it’s amplified online. Does it make you feel superior? Does it make you feel better? What is the precise reason do you feel, that you have to behave this way?
I’m pretty confident it is some insecurity within you that you shroud so well, but I can see the cracks already just by your reply alone. May I advise that maybe you should take some time outdoors, instead of like, making up characters out of baseless assumptions to satisfy your pseudo intelligence?
I criticized you for jumping to conclusions and fabricating narrative to support them. And apparently you got so offended by the criticism that … you went and did it all over again, targeting me, committing even harder to the bit.
You just wrote a bunch of wild fanfiction about me and then tried to have an argument with that imaginary version of me. Might as well just yell at ghosts in the shower if you’re that desperate to feel like you’ve snatched some petty victory from the jaws of self-inflicted defeat that is this thread.
You’re the problem with your own experience.
This response is hugely excessive for the “provocation” and yet I’m sure you’ll storm off imagining that I’m the big meanie here and you were some completely reasonable and utterly justified saint of good behaviour - for absolutely going off on someone who gently mocked your very serious demands for everyone to be nicer to you and meaner to the people you dislike. And you’ve done that to everyone who wasn’t fawningly positive towards you in this thread - that you started by being hateful and childish towards a site you just left and the userbase of the site you just joined.
Even with the tiny sample size I can see why you have so many encounters with “toxic” people. You antagonize and attack people, then pretend they were the toxic ones if they defend themselves.
It’s not hard to miss that you’ve just happened to call me all of the things that other people have told you about yourself in this thread. Hell, this whole little speech would have been far more appropriate as something someone said to you, if they were trying to hurt your feelings; so given how off the mark it was when directed at me, it’s easy to wonder if maybe you’re projecting a little here.
OP goes
I left Reddit because the toxicity levels have gotten unbearable.
And then seriously goes around disagreevoting replies like this one. Can we say “part of the problem”? Can we not foster a community where every counterpoint is met with that small but constant hostility? Be the change you want to see, OP, and reserve that shit for straight-up unproductive comments.
I can block people on kbin, does lemmy not have that?
Of course, it’s more an “I don’t want to see this user” than “I don’t want this user to see me,” but it keeps you from ever engaging with people who prove themselves little bitches more than once at least.
This. The internet is just fucking toxic now. And wherever you go, we’ll… there you are.
Honestly? It has been for ages and ages.
In 1989 a grown-ass grad student at our flagship state university tried to get my 14 year old friend to visit him downstate. (She told me all of this via a handwritten letter, mind you, but she was communicating with this creep - who wouldn’t admit his actual age - via an early text only messaging system.)
I remember the 1990s as a weird free for all, but also very gate-keepery. Oh, and those chat rooms/IMs out of nowhere were just… not even a thin veneer of “normal people doing normal things.” (I’m OK with that, but let’s not pretend).
The 2005-2010 era was all about collaboration (wikis) and forums and LORD ALMIGHTY, that almost always ended as a shitshow. Highlights from my memories of one wiki mashup:
- One kid from Slovakia faked his own online death, came back a month later and held a memorial for himself under the guise of a real-life friend of the kid. No one was buying it, and he lost his shit over the lack of mourning. It was cringe, but people were pretty mean about it.
- Another kid from Louisiana (if you believed his bio he was 11 and lived in a trailer park) was attacked by two adult men for “trying to score contribution points” on the wiki… by adding valid information to the wiki.
-An unhinged person in the Philippines threatened me with death, violence, and the destruction of generations worth of my family. That threat was delivered with the added terror-inducing information that her husband was a “lecturer at the university.”
-One of the site admin’s/owners (a Russian dude who was the equivalent of Reddit’s Spez), banned a guy… this is so stupid and complex… mainly stupid… I feel stupid just typing this out. It was Russian Spez’s birthday and a few people on the forum wished him a happy birthday. (Myself included. I mean, have a nice b-day dude. Typing costs me nothing and maybe it’ll dislodge whatever’s up your butt.) Another guy on the forum (let’s call him Derf) called us birthday-wishers “suck asses.” Whatever. Anyway, Russian Spez freaked right the fuck out, banned Derf, and started whining in broken English about why it’s unfair that we “think it’s OK that people call him suck ass.” And although I’m generally a nice person, I took this opportunity to call Russian Spez a thin skinned moron. (Seriously - I’m a 30 something woman and I’m not pitching fits over a childish taunt, but you are? And it wasn’t even directed at you? To his credit, Russian Spez didn’t ban me.)
-Was creeped on like it’s 1989 once people on that forum realized I wasn’t a dude.
-There were internecine disputes over formatting, where people in the US banded together to create a local standard that made no sense globally, people in the EU banded together to make standards that made a little more sense globally but pissed everyone in the US off because they preferred to say “Kentucky” vs. “KY”, people in Finland created their own insular state of affairs and refused to enter a debate over site-wide standards, and everyone else around the world just glowered and waited it out.
-Then there were the geo-political warriors. There were people in Iran and Iraq who fought an online proxy war over whether the Persian Gulf should be called the Persian or the Arabian Gulf. There was some drama over the South China Sea that I never really delved into. A single man in the middle east made 200 sockpuppets to defend 20 meters worth of sand in the Sinai peninsula that defined the border between Egypt and I-forget-the-hell-who-but-it-wasn’t-even-Israel.
That got into HobbyDrama territory, but the point is: Shitshow. Always has been.
People just sort of suck. And when their natural impulses towards suckiness run up against site rules? Shit gets lost. When someone calls them out it becomes a personal grievance. The lawbreaker becomes the victim.
In the end, no one can have nice things.
We should reject Reddit toxicity in general, tell them they don’t have a place here or anywhere.
Wait, so you’re saying we should kick out all ex-Redditors?
First they came for the Redditors, and I said nothing
Then they came for the Facebookers, and still I said nothing
Then they came for the Instagramians, and still I said nothing
Then they came for the Twits, and I laughed and laughed and laughed until I vomited
Then they came for the OnlyFans, and I think they’re still coming
Are you the same person as this guy? You seem to keep making new accounts and posts to hide your post history and complain about redditors.
I certainly can’t know whether what you’ve experienced is actually toxicity or just criticism, as I can’t see your post history. But any site with sufficient mass will be flooded with people like this. All the way back to 1993.
Part of being online anywhere with open signups and free discussion is just dealing with that sort of thing. The only way to prevent it is to spin up your own defederate instance and only allow people to join who you deem worthy of conversation with.
Oh nice, stalkers. Cool, said no one.
And no I disagree, the only way to prevent toxicity is for a moderation team to give a damn and maybe for the toxic users to realize that they won’t be tolerated. I’ve never understood this stance where the “best” way to deal with something is to just find your own gathering. I don’t have a following and I don’t want to develop some following so I feel like I can talk. Everyone should have the privilege to talk where they want without the pressure of being antagonized.
The problem isn’t the other people. The problem is the individuals who get confrontational and pose problematic behaviors. Not the other way around.
You must have a very distinctive description in how you define what stalking is. I’m going by the universally agreed definition of what stalking is. This is, on all accounts, stalking and they knew that.
I can’t quite care. Because, I know very well that I’m not the one who threw the first stone in the first place. But everyone still hasn’t grown up past the phase in their childhood where they can’t take accountability for their actions, so it MUST be the person they’re scapegoating because that person is addressing the shit they refuse to owe up to. It’s very childish and I’m ashamed to know so many self-acclaimed “sophisticated adults” behave like children, still.
You’re making it sound like I’m running for some office, which isn’t the case. Might want to tune down the dramatizing tone a bit.
If you keep trying to change human nature you’re going to be disappointed.
Complaining that other people do not live up to your standards is tiresome.
Easier to go where you are comfortable than to insist others change their behavior.
Who says I’m trying to change the entirety of human behavior?
What standards?
I’ve been hopping an awful lot from platform to platform at this point, trying to find this “comfort”. You and other people have been encouraging this idea of isolation which isn’t healthy on the human mind, just so you know, so you’re coming off as blatantly unhelpful.
Changing people’s behaviors isn’t my goal, infact, I am having difficulty finding this invented problem you’ve made about changing people’s behaviors. When, all I’ve said up and down, that I’ve noted of said behaviors and that I advocate we should not welcome it. Where are you getting this concept, besides inventing it, that it is about changing behavior? You can’t change an asshole’s behavior, they’re going to be assholes regardless. All I’m saying is to reject it and make them unwelcome because they have no place in ecosystems where we’re all trying to collectively be contributing and civil whereas, they’re not.
The problem isn’t the other people. The problem is the individuals who get confrontational and pose problematic behaviors. Not the other way around.
No one else has been confrontational in this discussion except you.
You are using Kbin, which means you can block not just magazines/communities, but instances, and individual users.
I imagine increased moderation will come in time, to some communities on some instances, but frankly one of the benefits of the Fediverse is the control it gives you over who can and cannot make it into your feed. This is a lot of foot stomping about something you can largely control yourself.
If you want to take up the time burden of moderating large communities for free you can contribute to the solution but it is a lot of work with no compensation, so there is a valid reason that throwing more moderation at the problem is much easier said than done
I’m probably some of the few people who’ll actually be glad to be moderating large communities. The problem is that, people wouldn’t like how I handle things because god forbid I actually move and act to resolve problems. Than letting it sit there and just remain untouched like I see so other instances of moderation do.
I’ve never understood this stance where the “best” way to deal with something is to just find your own gathering
What would your alternative be? Are you one of those types of people that want to censor people you disagree with? If someone says something that hurts your fee-fees, fucking ignore them. Really easy to do.
I think maybe you are on the wrong instances. Find some better people or start your own community. And we are Lemmings not Redditors anymore.
Kbinaut here. I’m still wondering if Kbinite or Kbinaut will win out lol.
Meanwhile poor OP is apparently being haunted by the shadows of redditors calling him out for toxicity on two different websites lol.
If it smells like shit everywhere you go…
Kbinaut here. I’m still wondering if Kbinite or Kbinaut will win out lol.
Kbean.
I actually agree with OP. Maybe DDOS-wise it’s very instance-specific but in terms of toxicity, it’s very apparent across federated content. I mean, there are some pretty bad behaviors on lemmy.world communities already.
One option is everyone starts calling out assholes for their behavior and otherwise not engaging. It probably won’t change their behavior but it’ll at least annoy some enough they they’ll leave.
No, I’m not going to be told that I’m on the “wrong side” of anything just because intolerant people inhabit where I’d like to interact with. Why is it so hard for people like you to ignore others?
