Both are shit but at least one of them grew up a little and stopped doing this shit
Not a big student of modern history, are you?
“Srebrenica massacre, slaying of more than 7,000 Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) boys and men, perpetrated by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica, a town in eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina, in July 1995. In addition to the killings, more than 20,000 civilians were expelled from the area—a process known as ethnic cleansing. The massacre, which was the worst episode of mass murder within Europe since World War II” source
The christians were committing so many murders of non-christians, because they were non-christians, NATO intervened to protect the non-christians.
Oh get off your fucking high horse mate. That was some of the tamest shit ever, oh no they pointed out the user was ignorant of the topic they were talking about and didn’t mollycoddle it in a layer of feel good compliments, the fucking horror.
And than you come along and call them a dick.
You’re absolutely right, and for that I apologize.
I get frustrated that people make strong statements denying the suffering of others. However, because of how I said it, I’m sure I create more friction that needed. Thank you for calling me out on it. I’ll remember this in the future and try to hold my frustration in check.
Linking to the serb / Bosnian war is kinda cheating.
That’s an absolutely atrocious event, which indeed was caused by christians, no doubt. But that whole region was awash with every possible flavor of violence.
Did NATO intervene in NK in 1992 when muslims were killing christians? No, cause those muslims were feral cousins of Turkey, and Turkey is part of NATO. Just in that case christians got lucky and managed to defend themselves.
I think you suck at modern history too.
Please look at the thread title, the post I responded to, and then ask yourself if your response applies.
It’s not that religion got better, it became weaker. And at this point there a lot of people in the West who don’t subscribe to it hard enough to ignore attrocities. It’s important to know it’s not individual faith, it’s institution that kisses, sloppy style with corporations and governments and supports or even inspires their agenda. Islam in the East could be powerless just like christianity elsewhere if it wasn’t married to power-hungry reactionary governments. And even buddhists, who has a white-as-a-bedsheet reputation in the West, did a genocide of muslims in Myanmar. At this point I believe even My Little Pony can become the proclaimed reason for genocide and torture if some congregation of power and force put it on as a mask. And it’s a shame that most sceptics who aren’t into that BS are less centralized, cooperative, than religious shmucks by their nature.
It actually got better before it got weaker. All those Catholic institutions we tie to the bad parts about Christianity in mass culture (a-and in Sabatini books, et cetera) were actively and productively working against barbaric shit, also influencing legal practices in non-religious matters as a result.
I upvoted your opinion as a legit one, but I don’t really agree with that. Even after christianity got somehow okay, we had these fellow christians massacre american natives and roping indians to cannons en masse as they were thought of as barbarians. Even in Iraq, Chechnya, Afganistan, there were still traces of this dehumanization not only by racism, but by religion too. At least that’s what I’ve heard from soldiers who served in these places themselves. It’s hard to rationally dissect religious hate from racism, but they usually go hand in hand now. We won’t, hopefully, slay another thousand of white Yugoslavian people over it, but for brown persons it’s an open question. Still, at least some progress.
If you don’t think radical atheism isn’t like radical Christianity and radical Islam, you haven’t studied the history of the various communist countries of the world.
People who are absolutely certain they are right can do some fucked up shit.
Do you mean anti-theism? If you’re talking about people that actively oppose religion. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in theism.
I’m also not sure how communism relates either, unless you’re talking about secular societies that were communist and committed atrocities, such as Soviet Russia under Stalin. In Soviet Russia the state belief was atheism, but again, in their pursuit to eliminate religion I would argue that is really anti-theism.
By this logic, the Spanish Inquisition wasn’t so much about Christianity, as it was about anti-Islam and anti-Judaism.
I’d say the inquisition was more about decolonization. Decolonization isn’t always a pretty thing.
Antisemitism is usually about finding a convenient scapegoat for problems which is mostly about horrible people solidifying power more than anything else.
Religion is often warped to gain political power which is why a separation between church and state is so important.
Ha! Look at this dude and his radical atheism!
Imagine an actual violent war broke out between Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans. They are bombing each other’s conventions, and shooting each other in the streets. From the outside, you’re just like, why are they acting like this? None of it is even real! Why can’t you just let each other enjoy science fiction? Why do they have to like YOURS better?
Atheists, like all people, do have things to go to war about. Money, power, real things that are important to them, and it may be greed or love that pushes an atheist to war, but science fiction had nothing to do with it.
Religious people, like all people, do have things to go to war about. Money, power, real things that are important to them, and it may be greed or love that pushes the religious to war.
Cute, but that doesn’t work when “kill the infidels!” is literally their warcry. They openly call them Holy Wars and promote them as driven by religion. Sure, there’s money and power involved as well, but people are fighting over religion. That’s just fact.
Lol, I’m a radical atheist I belive that no God, is God!
Here is our credo
1/0 = god
I mean religion is pretty much just the concept of defining the relationship between us and the Universe we live in. God is the Universe. Atheism is all about being pedantic about meanings of the words God and Universe. Usually it’s just people that were in a radical religious sect that believes that scriptures are literal and atheists reject all religion because they think that what they were taught in Sunday School as a child is the totality of religion.
If you’re in an atheist that feels the need to join an atheist discussion group tho constantly reinforce your “non-belief” you kind of out yourself as a radical atheist.
I’d be surprised if you had a single though about this whatsoever… Not only do you somehow link atheism, a philosophical outlook on the impossibility of godhood as described by religion, with Communism, a socio-economic model, you attribute the actions taken by dictatorial semi-socialist leaders to both.
I don’t think a regular human could say something this stupid if they tried.
Are you saying it hurts when you’re just lazily lumped together with fundamentalists simply because there’s some overlap between what you believe and what they believe?
“Somehow” linking atheism with communism, gee.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_anti-religious_legislation
Whatever belief or non belief anyone has isn’t the problem … it’s when those individuals want to impose this beliefs or non beliefs onto other people whether those other people want it or not.
I really don’t care what other people think, that’s their life. The problems start when people start thinking that they have a right to force their ideas or thoughts onto other people.
Add up the populations of the countries where atheism is imposed on people.
More people have had atheism imposed upon them than any religion.
Add up all the people that have lived over the past 4,000 years … wars, genocides, conflicts, violent revolutions have all led to countless dead because of religions.
Who ever thought that? To me the muslims are the better people by a big margin. It takes a lot more 9/11s to even the score.
Makes sense it’s a German instance you are registered on. There seems to exist that instinctive attraction to Nazis in them, you just have to remove the Nazi label.
“Muslims” includes Turks, so you are immediately wrong.
“Muslims” includes conquering, forcibly converting and often genociding all of historical Christian and Zoroastrian and much of other Asia, something Christians have, yes, done to Americas, but one can argue that, first, to a smaller degree (yes, Muslims were even worse), second, accompanied with Catholic clergy loudly protesting against the treatment of natives (no way in hell Islam can be against enslavement, genocide and conquest, they are formally against forced conversion though, just like Christians, formally), third, they don’t do that anymore.
Anyone got her IG?
Considering their respective ages, hard line Islam is pretty much up to what Christians were up to in those days.
LOL, this was literally an argument in favor of Nazis in the Soviet “17 moments of spring” series. We are a young ideology and movement, why do you judge us so harshly…
Islam will be judged by the same measure as everything else, by which it’s an infection (mostly, Nizari-Ismaili guys are chill).
See when you start debating history, that’s just weird. What I said is a fact, Christians 500 years ago were doing horrendous things. All religion is bad.
Islam is technically 1400 years old in the way Christianity is technically 2000 years old.
Modern Islams and Christianities, it’s more complicated.
Nah, Mohammed came out and claimed that although Jesus was indeed a prophet his word was somehow corrupted, hence Islam.
