This toggle is annoying because what was once 1 press to turn on BT is now 2. It gets me every day.
I have the opposite. I have never a reason to turn off Bluetooth, but always want to connect of disconnect devices. this is so much better than long pressing.
Yeah they built this UI on the assumption that people didn’t turn off their BT generally. This is an improvement for me but I really don’t see why they can’t make it an option for people.
It’s not an assumption. They obviously have telemetry that shows the vast majority of people never turn Bluetooth or WiFi off.
…or maybe the people who turn off Bluetooth also tend to disable/block telemetry.
My wife’s car is extremely aggressive. The second she turns it on, it steals my Bluetooth connection. I could be mowing my lawn, listening to music on my phone, then suddenly hear nothing, and it’s because my wife got in her car and was suddenly blasted with my tunes.
I tell my phone to forget her car’s Bluetooth connection, but then I’m constantly harassed by pop-ups on my phone every minute saying her car wants to pair with my phone. I can’t get it to stop pinging me. It sees a Bluetooth device in range and then spams it, trying to connect.
So yes, I like to keep my Bluetooth off until I want to use it.
Have a dig through the cars Bluetooth settings and see if you can delete the pairing from that end.
I’ve done that, but it still pings every Bluetooth connection it sees, whether it recognizes it or not.
Her car had some class-action lawsuit recently because its integrated satellite radio service was constantly pinging for a connection, whether you had the service or not. If the car wasn’t driven in a few days, the battery would be completely drained. And you couldn’t jump it yourself; it had to be towed to a shop so they could use some special machine to jump and charge it.
That issue has been settled, but now its Bluetooth is basically doing the same thing. Fortunately only while the car is on, but still.
Sounds like your phone is top priority. Either clear it off the car or move her’s up to the top spot.
Some cars it doesn’t matter - it will attempt to connect to whatever device it sees.
If it happens to see his first, it connects.
I’ve seen these problems for years with integrated BT in cars. I hate it.
The best answer I’ve found is to pair, then turn off all connectivity within that Bluetooth connection on my phone.
I turn it off daily. I have 2 phones and I don’t want to connect my personal phone to my BT speaker at work. I can see where you’re coming from though.
I don’t want to connect my personal phone to my BT speaker at work
I’m confused, do you shuttle the same speaker between work and home or is work a separate speaker? If it’s a separate speaker why don’t you just delete it’s pairing from your personal phone?
Supermarkets and malls etc, use Bluetooth beacons to track, and profile you. I’m always turning mine off, when in those kind of places.
I hated that too, but buried in the’edit’ list I still found separate toggles for WiFi and data (on Lineage OS)
When you edit your quick-access tiles. Mine has a little pencil if I expand the notification area fully. I have these choices, where ‘Internet’ is the annoying combined WiFi/data button, but the other two were in there and I just had to drag them out instead.
I would turn your yelling around: Do you honestly believe the vast majority of users need more than just that functionality, which beelines you into connecting to a specific Wi-Fi over toggling anything on or off?
Much like the Bluetooth menu, these changes are driven by the fact that the vast vast majority of users only ever need to access a quick “connect to this BT device” or “I want to connect to this Wi-Fi” menu. Never anything else.
It sucks as a power user, but at least for me I could find individual toggles when editing the quick panel.
So now what would you do if the data were to show that the vast majority need fast access to a menu to swap which BT device is connected, but only few ever turn it on or off?
Wouldn’t it make sense to have the connect menu available quickly, and the on/off deeper in the configuration, just like you say it but the other way around?
Of course, 10+ versions ago the devs expected the toggle to be used frequently. But unless our users are a very skewed sample, fucking nobody (if you round it) ever does. Same with toggling data.
That’s a major improvement. Nobody turns off Bluetooth.
It’s now easier to check or disconnect devices.
Location and Bluetooth are constantly off for me, my phone is lucky if it isn’t in airplane mode.
Solely for battery lmao. I don’t know if it even matters anymore but it’s an old habit
I like the way Nothing OS does it. Tapping the icon toggles Bluetooth on/off, and tapping the text/rest of the button opens the popup.
The fuck… now i understand why the hell sometimes it opens me that annoying window … It works the same on miui
But the wifi button still pisses me off. I want my separate LTE data toggle back.
I actually have separate buttons for WiFi and data but they were buried in the ‘edit’ list
The way it works right now on my phone is you tap it to turn it on and off and then you long hold to open the setting.
I’m going to be peeved if that goes away in favor of OPs process…
I don’t want to go conspiracy theory, but in my opinion it feels like a dark pattern to increase the time people have Bluetooth on. I believe they did the same thing with success for Wi-Fi. If I recall correctly, even when you are not connected to a device, Google can estimate your location based on what Wi-Fi networks you are in proximity to and something to varying degrees might work for Bluetooth as well which is why they also roll the feature over to the Bluetooth toggle
Yeah, this is definitely it. This article is from 2019, so it has probably evolved a lot since then.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html
In addition to the profits from earphones, this is probably another reason for the removal of the headphone jack.
That’s not what people want, that’s why this post exists and it has 69 comments so far.
They already do that regardless of the state of those toggles. You have to turn that off in a different spot.
The main Bluetooth and Wi-Fi toggles otherwise just stop your device from actively associating/pairing with other devices. They do not control the radios.
Wut. Why would they bother when your cellular connection is constantly pinging all towers to literally triangulate your location? Why do something much more complicated to get data they already have?
The real answer is they are a multi billion dollar company with telemetry. Obviously, the vast majority of people never turn off WiFi or Bluetooth. Most people want quick access to connect to a WiFi network or Bluetooth device, not to toggle either off.
I believe that Wi-Fi points are more accurate than towers especially when they’re sharing the information with indoor retailers
Bluetooth give a lot more information about your surrounding (what device your phone detect or connect, for how much time, distance from objects, etc.), not only from your phone alone, but from other people phones who have bluetooth on and e.g. never disable any tracking from google services too. And the Mac address for bluetooth never change, so any device (and tracking company) will know you is forever you. Bluetooth is a privacy nightmare, and this is totally a dark pattern. People not knowing what they’re doing is of course a thing, but it seems just a usual bad practice by google, who like to manipulate especially not tech-savvy people
I was just grumbling about this today. It’s one of those little changes that might help someone, but interrupts a flow that worked well for me.
