Sorry to be the guy that brings controversial issues to this thread. But this kind of thing is exactly why the “trans women have a biological advantage in sports” argument holds no water. (Other than the fact its almost entirely untrue)
People from this region have a biological advantage in their sports, several orders of magnitude more of an advantage than trans women have. But no one is calling for these people to be banned from sports.
There are tall asians, but there are no testosterone flooded women.
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Yes the famously Asian country of Kenya.
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Do you really think that cis women can’t have naturally high testosterone levels? And especially not higher than trans women, who literally have their testosterone levels controlled by medications?
Learn to behave.
And as naturally high as men ? Probably not. (Hence the “floded”)
There are tall asians,
What does that have to do with anything?
but there are no testosterone flooded women.
Yes there are. Things like Polycystic ovary syndrome or Nonclassic congenital adrenal hyperplasia can cause women to have high levels of testosterone.
And also trans women take HRT to drop their levels of testosterone anyway so your point isn’t even relevant.
I think we should add biological in front of male and female just to remove any confusion…
That’s what AMAB (assigned male at birth) and AFAB (assigned female at birth) are for.
Sorry to be that guy, but this picture gives us no evidence that the advantage of these people is biological and not the result of other factors such as culture or environment.
This picture doesn’t, but if you look into it then you’ll see studies have shown the Kalenjin people have quite small ankles and calves which mean their legs weigh less and so make it easier for them to run long distances.
That isn’t to say genetics are the sole reason they are good. But it’s undeniable they have a genetic advantage.
Maybe a small advantage, but they also have a culture of training specifically for long distance running. That’s almost all of it. The size of your ankles doesn’t matter if you don’t practice.
There are better ultra marathon runners in Mexico who look nothing like these Kenyans. They barely warm up with a marathon, so they don’t place highly. They are good because their culture involves running ultra marathons. They will keep running for fun long after everyone else has died.
Training is what matters. If you went and joined a running club in Kenya, you would be able to beat any Kenyan who didn’t practice. It’s 99% practice.
several orders of magnitude more of an advantage than trans women have.
Have there even been studies which can back up this claim¿? Hell have there even been studies which even measure how much of an advantage having smaller calves and ankles gives¿?
9 Conclusion There is no firm basis available in evidence to indicate that trans women have a consistent and measurable overall performance benefit after 12 months of testosterone suppression. While an advantage in terms of Lean Body Mass (LBM), Cross Section Area (CSA) and strength may persist statistically after 12 months, there is no evidence that this translates to any performance advantage as compared to elite cis-women athletes of similar size and height
They’re resorting to saying “trans women are stronger than their competitors, but how do we even know that being stronger is advantageous in sport???”
Did you mean ‘yes’. Because the article you share concludes that trans women have no advantage which is greater than other biological advantages
the ones in America are ethnically the same ones in Africa
Who are you talking about? Galen Rupp? Grant Fisher? Chris Solinsky?
https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-lists/u-s-all-time-list-men/#10k
The topography explains it all. https://geology.com/articles/east-africa-rift.shtml
tl;dr The people of that area in East Africa naturally live close to sea level, however there are easily accessible elevations changes that distance runners have trained on for probably centuries. It turns out that training at high altitudes and recovering at low altitudes provides a tangible and demonstrable advantage compared to just single elevation training.
The map is being racist by labelling Canada, Morocco and USA but not the super-relevant African countries. I’m baffled by that…
Like, I don’t think it’s intentional but how does that happen?
Yeah like the other commenter said this isn’t it, nobody is commuting up and down 10,000’ on a regular basis, especially in antiquity. Just because different elevations “look close” on a map means nothing.
Far more likely is this is a concentrated population of folks with highly desirable traits for distance running.
This can’t be the whole story, otherwise we’d see places like Chile, Peru, and India competing too
No idea about the other two, but India’s sports administration is corrupt to the core. Funds are stolen by those on top, and athletes who complain - even about obviously criminal things like sexual assault - are pushed out. Some sports bodies (chess, for example) are better, but the big ones (cricket, wrestling, football) are mostly bad.
The school of thought has generally changed.
Live high, train low is now the prevailing methodology.
somebody forgot to label something
If you can dodge a bullet, you can dodge a ball homie