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For reference for those using freedom units that’s roughly 60 mph in a 20 mph zone

Bonus. In eagle burger land that will either land you:

  • $200 fine and 2 points on your license (varies on state)

  • shot in the face (dwb and reaching for a gun wallet)

  • nothing (hello fellow patrolman, have a great day killing pet dogs)

Source: I’m a red-blooded freedom loving eagle burger citizen

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20 points

While true, it’s always the insurance and fees that get you. This is why I don’t understand states that post their speeding fines: they’re low enough to not stop anyone, but also don’t give the true cost

Here in Massachusetts

Your first speeding ticket … lose your Excellent Driver Plus Discount and see your premiums rise and stay higher for six years!

Plus that kind of excessive speed will almost certainly also get you reckless driving

For surcharge purposes, reckless driving is treated the same as DUI [or a major at-fault accident]. This could result in a huge insurance premium increase.

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5 points

Okay so i know you’re replying to the first point, and everything you’ve said is valid.

However, I mentioned the inherent racism and corruption that exists in US law enforcement in a very tongue-in-cheek way, and your reply of “while true” was just… oh man, yeah, chef’s kiss

But yes, it’s the collateral affects that really get you. Plus doing 60 in a school zone can absolutely get your ass handed to you in a very real and legally binding way lol

(For those in countries with functioning governments, in the US 30kph is usually reserved for school zones during restricted hours)

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3 points

Plus doing 60 in a school zone can absolutely get your ass handed to you in a very real and legally binding way lol

Was in traffic court with a relative years back, and a woman was arguing that going 37Mph in a school zone when buses are unloading wasn’t an issue because she was A) on the other side of the road from the school, and B) paying close attention.

Because she contested it, and likely because of her poor defense, she got higher fines, court costs added, and IIRC, a penalty like safe driving school or suspension.

BTW, her being on the other side of the road was because she swerved into oncoming traffic to put her there. Great times hanging out in traffic court in big cities…

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16 points

Freedom units? You mean the ones used by your British masters?

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14 points

If the Brits were still our masters we’d have a single player healthcare system. Still have an odd fixation on the monarchy tho.

America, when chavs get money and declare independence

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1 point

Laughs in Marshall Plan

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10 points

People regularly do that speed in my neighborhood that has a 25mph limit. The only time I see cops around is when they’re looking for the tweaker down the street so they can arrest him for whatever shit he stole this week, have him rat out other tweakers, and immediately release him to do the same thing again later.

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5 points

Catch and release is vital for a healthy ecosystem. It allows for sport catching without impacting breeding programs. Done correctly, a sportsman can take progressive trophy photos throughout the quarry’s life

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In the eagle burger state of SheetzWawa you lose your license if you’re doing more than double the speed limit.

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That’s probably true for your neighbor to the West as well. I stopped speeding when gas hit $3/gallon lol

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6 points

I was in traffic court in the 1990s and saw a guy get sent to jail for driving 75 miles per hour on a 25 miles per hour road.

This was in Virginia. The person refused a lawyer. He looked like he was maybe 22. The look of surprise on his face when he was led off to jail was priceless.

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4 points

In what state is 40MPH over not a minimum 4 point ticket? Even in incredibly lax Michigan, 10 over puts you at 2 points and 15+ is 4 points, and that’s only on limited access highways. It’s jurisdiction dependent, but you can usually add 2 points to each of those if it’s off the interstate. They’re also almost definitely going to hit you with a reckless driving charge, especially in a 25MPH zone.

Burgerland can be pretty lax when it comes to speeding and reckless driving, and you might be able to work the fine/points down to that with a good lawyer and having zero prior infractions, but acting like a $200 fine and 2 points for doing 60 in a 20 is normal is just a flat out falsehood.

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4 points

A couple of years ago, the police here stopped a pickup truck driver going about 105MPH in a 55MPH zone, although people routinely drive 70. The driver just claimed that they weren’t used to the powerful engine, and the cops gave them a warning and sent them on their way.

(Wisconsin, for the record.)

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TBH i was just making up numbers, it was more of a shitpost than anything. Yeah sixty in a twenty will get your more than a slap on the wrist for sure

Unless you’re a cop lol

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4 points

Fair enough lol. It can be hard to tell sometimes given our laws, but also the amount of people who’ll make shit up/wildly exaggerate about the US and people believe it on here because US Bad™.

Sadly the cop thing is basically 100% true and usually only gets worse the smaller the town/jurisdiction.

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https://12ft.io/https://www.stern.de/gesellschaft/berlin--strafbefehl-fuer-mutmasslichen-totraser-vom-savignyplatz--33836922.html

In Berlin a driver went 73 in a 30 zone, passed a truck on the right using a bus lane, and murdered a cyclist.

Three years later, he still walks free and it looks like he always will.

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58 points

Noted: if you want to murder someone, use a car.

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22 points

In Germany

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67 points

Denmark will also confiscate and scrap or resell your car if you go a certain percentage over the limit. 100 in a 30 zone would be enough.

You don’t have to be a citizen or the owner of the car; if the car is found speeding, that car is getting taken.

It was a huge thing a few years ago when it was implemented because we caught a few lambos joy riding from Germany up through Jutland

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8 points

So I can steal a car from someone I don’t like, speed in front of a camera, and their car will be destroyed?

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8 points

Not a problem. In that case you’d also have theft charges and would be liable for the car’s value in civil court (or whatever the Danish equivalent is).

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1 point

Yes

It’s insured, isn’t it?

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6 points

It was a huge thing a few years ago when it was implemented because we caught a few lambos joy riding from Germany up through Jutland

Nice one

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2 points

Same reason for swiss.

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im all for it except for literally scrapping a perfectly good vehicle

they must know crushing and manufacturing a whole entire new car to replace it is costly as fuck to the environment and our pockets? putting it in the hands of someone who might need it is literally free.

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6 points

In Latvia we have solved this for now, we’re just sending the confiscated cars to Ukraine.

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1 point

Sends a great fucking message though.

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i dont care about messages in this context, if we crush cars without an alternative we will just force people to indebt themselves with new cars, and that just makes the problem worse. early obsolescence is not the answer.

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3 points

The context is going 70kph over the speed limit, or 233% over the limit.

Not sure about Germany and Switzerland, but here 30kph zones are used for school corridors and pedestrian areas.

Some fuckwit driving 100 kph in one of these is tantamount to attempted manslaughter.

Someone doing this shouldn’t need to worry about a new car, because they shouldn’t even be able to buy a new car before rehabilitation.

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force people to indebt themselves with new cars

Not if you make alternative means of transport available like they do in both Germany and Switzerland

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Also, could lead to perverse incentives if they re-sold the vehicles or gifted them to people (who may or may not happen to know people who help run the program).

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-6 points

Crush it with the driver inside it. One less car needed and eliminates the chance on recidivism!

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And not even enough. As a society we’re condoning too much when it’s about cars.

Going 100 in a 30 should be charged as “attempted massacre” if stopped. Because it’s not an “accident” anymore when you go that fast.

And driving that fast in a residential area without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, should be an aggravating circumstance and not the opposite.

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I wonder what the finnish Mayday psychosis guy got for driving and crashing his Mercedes at like 180 km/h through a narrow and extremely busy street (30 or 40 km/h zone) got. He didn’t hurt anyone IIRC but he also could have killed like 20 people. I’ll edit this comment when find the video and the verdict.

edit1: the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpNI2BQYrE&pp=ygUSdmFwcHUgbWVyc3Uga29sYXJp

edit2: ok he “only” drove at 100km/h and injured 2 people. He was accused of 11 cases of attempted manslaughter among other things. All charges dropped.

Apparently he had just proposed to his bride, she said yes, it was the happiest day of his life and he completely snapped. No drugs or alcohol involved.

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2 points

So dwi should not be an aggravating circumstance?

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Both

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