The problem with injuring Nazis is that they tend to just recover, and then go back to doing Nazi shit.
There was a pretty extensive study done from 1939 to 1945 on how to best deal with Nazis; for best outcomes, I’d refer to the results and testing techniques uncovered then.
Too many of the wealthy nazis were let go to relocate to other parts of the world and continue their nazi bullshit. Hopefully next time that mistake isn’t repeated.
Too many of the wealthy Nazis lived in the United States and were never even in danger.
The 1911 is still the preferred method, be sure to clean and oil it regularly.
But at least in Germany the main reasons for people to join exit programs are:
- relationship with people from a different „race“
- fear of violence from political opponents
- violence between neonazis
One could definitely argue that some sort of light violence towards fascists is self-defense which has a chance to lead towards exit programs. Killing on the other hand causes a lot more issues.
Kill and killer and the number of killers stays the same. Kill a hundred killers and the number drops by 99. My ancestors had a lot of blood on their hands, I hope to get mine share with a damned good Casus Belli.
It still makes me giggle that the far right chose “Antifa” as their boogeyman. You can ask any of them what it stands for, half of which just say radical liberals that are trying to take over America. Then tell them it means anti-fascist, ask them what from with being against fascism, and then watch their heads spin while glowing red. Good times.
I think this is better presented as:
“Oh wait you are FOR fascism?”
“No I’m just against antifa.”
“There is no like, regulating body for this ‘antifa’. It’s just what the fascists labeled anyone who isn’t supporting fascism. If you aren’t a fascist, then you are antifa.”
Lol I have to say that I’ve never actually met anyone that claims to be affiliated with Antifa. Plenty Proud Boys and the like, but I’m convinced Antifa is a borderline myth.
I think anyone attracted to the prospect of violence is a bit of a dick by definition.
We get a new word for “people I don’t like” every five years. Almost like its some kind of marketing gimmick that a handful of right-wing news outlets cook up in a think tank back room and then roll out as a fashion statement.
Antifa, Marxist, Leftist, Wumao, Tree Hugger, F-ggot, N-, the terms echo through history.
ask them what from with being against fascism
Well, everyone knows that Fascism is when you’re a National Socialist. And that means the Real Fascists are Socialists, which is what the Antifa are, which means Antifa means Fascist.
As a True Patriot, I’m standing up against your evil foreign mind virus by speaking the Secret Truth that They Don’t Want You To Know. And that Secret Truth that nobody will let you say is how Middle Aged Wealthy White Men are the natural leaders of society who make everything better. When they’re not in charge, when they’re not in control of ever facet of socio-economic policy, when they’re not in a position of Strength and Pride, the country goes to shit. And that’s when the Antifa Fascists come crawling out of the woodwork to spread the disease of dissent and rebellion against the Natural Order.
You either let good Christian American Men lead this country to its inevitable Utopian Future, or I have every right to murder you in self defense. That’s what it means to be Against Fascism. So are you with us, or are you with the terrorists?
THE ENEMY CANNOT SHITPOST IF YOU DISABLE HIS HAND!
I want gas to be cheaper so I can burn them all
I’ll allow the use of butane to burn Nazis. Those bastards aren’t worthy of being burned by the majesty of propane.
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster…
That’s a big different between the left and the right.
The right want certain people to have certain basic rights.
The left want everyone to have the same basic rights. Even if they are hated.
That’s why I call myself “so far left I got my guns back”. Even though I have no guns. If wanting everyone to have their needs met is anything other than basic human decency I don’t know what you’d call it.
Conservatives are just mean people with nothing better to do than hurt others. Like people who pull wings off bugs.
You should uhhhhh
Get some guns
Unless that’s illegal in your country… Because that means you’re probably okay in November if things go fashy elsewhere.
This is obviously wrong.
First, equality in rights is not a left\right thing in the modern sense of “left” and “right”. Historically yeah, it was - when “right” meant parties of aristocracy and “left” meant parties of bourgeoisie, with peasantry split between them.
Second, humans in general very rarely actually mean it when they say something like that quote by Voltaire about free speech.
Third - I take it Khmer Rouge, DPRK, Soviet Union, Kuba under Fidel etc were all right dictatorships.
Four - it’s really funny when leftists act as if they’ve successfully managed to unload NSDAP into pockets of the “right”.
Have fun with what Hitler said to Strasser (amongst other things).
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
https://jacobin.com/2020/10/nazi-socialism-rand-paul-strasser-hitler
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/01/putting-the-nazis-were-socialist-nonsense-to-rest/
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302
Also, can you tell me the very first line of the “first they came for the…” poem by Martin Neimöller? Who was it that the Nazis first came for? Go ahead and look it up, I’ll wait.
Not being Marxist doesn’t mean not being socialist.
Go ahead and look it up, I’ll wait.
I remember most banalities without looking up.
Also it’s Niemöller.
The left want everyone to have the same basic rights. Even if they are hated.
Does the left believe those they hate should have the right not to be physically assaulted by strangers?
Sure doesn’t look like it in here, lol.
Tolerance is a social contract upheld by all who are tolerant. If someone violates that social contract, say, a nazi, then they are not governed by the social contract.
One cannot tolerate the intolerant.
Intolerance must be met with expulsion and force to maintain a civil society.
That means you, get off Lemmy.
Intolerance does not require violence. Equivocating a lack of on-sight violence with tolerance/advocacy is absurd.
So, no. You don’t believe that is a right. Rights are things that apply to all people at all times, you know. If you believe certain people do not have the right not to be physically assaulted by strangers, then you do not believe in that right, period.
Thanks for pointing out that “The left want everyone to have the same basic rights. Even if they are hated.” is a lie.
Intolerance of the intolerant is the cornerstone of protecting one’s freedoms.
Does a nazi being assaulted bother you? If a nazi doesn’t want to be assault by decent people then they shouldn’t be a nazi. Tolerating a nazi is advocating for genocide.
Arguing that there is no spectrum between full-fledged advocacy and on-sight violence is quite foolish.
Intolerance does not require violence. That is why in any modern society, criminals are imprisoned, not beaten to death by a public mob.
Do you believe someone who wants en masse ethnic cleansing shouldn’t be physically assaulted by strangers?
If you believe having certain thoughts/desires creates a justification for physical assault on that person by strangers, then you, objectively, do not believe “everyone [should] have the same basic rights. Even if they are hated.”, since being legally protected against such assault is one such “basic right”, in all modern societies.
So, if you’re on the left, as I presume you are, you are answering my question with a clear “no”, and proving that assertion to be a lie.
Rights are not conditional.
Does the left believe those they hate should have the right not to be physically assaulted by strangers?
You mean like this?
Or maybe like this?
Or maybe you mean like this?
What kind of idiotic response is this? This is basically what’s happened here:
Me: Do you/your ‘party’ believe X is wrong?
You: Look at these examples of people with different politics doing X!
Who asked about those guys? I’m talking to you guys.
Fact 1: In all modern societies/civilizations, it is considered a basic right to not be physically assaulted by strangers.
Fact 2: Rights, by definition, are not conditional.
Fact 3: The assertion was made that “The left want everyone to have the same basic rights. Even if they are hated.”
So, I asked if the left adheres to the assertion in Fact 3 with respect to the right in Fact 1.
It’s a simple question. Can you answer it honestly?