“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”
The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.
But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.
Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”
" some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump" …who will be eager to urge Israel to “finish” the job".
some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump
Yep, these people are fucking morons.
We don’t get good support from this one guy, so we want to make it so the guy who promises to fuck you over gets elected.
Yeah, they’re morons for refusing to vote for a guy killing their friends and families. Maybe you should work harder to move the Dems away from supporting genocide.
They’re not voting for Trump either. They’re exercising their democratic rights. Biden should earn their votes, not be entitled to it because one guy is less overt about doing genocide.
You have a gun with one bullet. Should you shoot the guy who says he’s going to stab someone or shoot the guy who says he’s going to blow up a daycare full of children? Hmm. Better exercise your moral highground and do nothing. That’ll show’em!
At what point will you be asking yourself why it is that you are being forced to make choices like that? If you normalize this, you are signing on to it.
The people walking away from Biden refuses to do so… and your only response is to smugly lecture them?
Yeah… Trump is going to be your next president. This whole “lesser evilism” bullshit the Dems have been peddling for years now was going to hit rock-bottom at one point or the other. Guess what… that time is now.
If he wasn’t fixated on supporting this genocide
It’s not Biden - Israel being a holy cow is untouchable policy, not politics. Israel is immune from US politics - and people in the US who doesn’t want to sign on to genocidal white supremacism have run straight into that wall (a wall that wasn’t supposed to be in a supposedly “democratic” state) and don’t really know what to do.
I don’t envy you.
He just shit the bed so bad.
All he had to do was stay the fuck out of it and say I’m not trump and he would have won by a landslide.
Now we will probably get trump and we deserve it.
Yes I am part of that and no I don’t feel bad about it.
You guys decided you would rather have trump and support genocidal actions and said fuck you to us.
Then you beg for our support while calling us idiots.
Generic you, not natural_motions you
Do you not at all understand why this is a complex issue? Yes he could appease you and a lot of lemmy by denying Isreal aid but he’d upset as many if not more people by doing it, especially when things went real bad and his enemies start saying he hates Jews and backtracked on decades of promises, rolling pictures of dead Israelison the news 24/7
Politics isn’t about everyone getting exactly what they want, it’s about trying to balance impossible choices and push towards the direction that benefits the most.
The true morons are biden and his supporters who think supporting genocide is more important than winning the election. Stop supporting genocide and you get their votes. Seems like a win-win, but I guess biden and his supporters think that’s too much winning. Typical democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
it’s not a kind of cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face fucking morons. If they don’t do that, they’ll be played around over and over again. If they’ll do that, it will be a lesson not to trivialise their importance. When Trump is back it can be worse but now the sentiment around the world is changing, which can help to control Trump which which will deem him to be at the same level with Bibi which will leave him isolated, which is good. So, it’s not moronic but a rather calculated risk.
Yeah sure, Trump will surely be controlled
Just like Franz von Papen ensured Hitler could be easily controlled once Hitler was in a position of power:
“In two months, we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner, he squeaks!”
- January, 1933
Not that kind of control. Much like the way Bibi is being controlled right now, in which of now in which as of now he would already have a full ground attack on Rafah if not because of the dwindle support from the world community. The ‘Good’ guy needs the support of world community to maintain its moral legitimacy; if not they will have to transform into being the bad guy - which is not the option for the US. The hypothetical Trump can choose that path but he will further be isolated and the US will no longer hold the reverent supremacy as before. This is never the favorable path in line with the long term geopolitical strategy of either the US or Israel.
Dan Koh, deputy director of the White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, said the administration wants “to make sure we’re as accessible as possible.” “We understand that some people do not want to engage. We respect that,” he said. “But we think that the people who have engaged have felt that it was a fruitful discussion.”
“Why isn’t our good good words convincing people?!”
If you’re an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.
It doesn’t seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn’t lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don’t blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.
I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there’s no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.
What suffering of the Israelis? They’re partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.
Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They’d love to be subjected to America’s treatment of Israel.
Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.
Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don’t think anyone reasonable is denying that.
But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn’t addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.
Both white slave owners and black slaves see each other as existential threats. There will be conflict. We should try to find a negotiated peace between them so the slave owners can have their slaves in peace.
Stop both-sidesing this like a dumb liberal. What’s happening is colonialism and it’s wrong. Wake the fuck up, Israelis are trying to replace the Palestinians, not co-exist with them. There is 75 years of history to demonstrate that.
Israelis massive victim complex juxtaposed with then acting like Nazi’s doesn’t somehow make both sides equal.
It doesn’t matter whether Trump or Biden is President to stop the war in Gaza, what matters is that Netanyahu isn’t Prime Minister
We need to stop paying attention to what the Biden government says, and pay absolute attention to what they do! They’re speaking out of both sides of their mouth, FFS!
