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Not only that, but giving them homes is going to be one first and essential step in ending the relentless mental pressure and misery that keeps them on drugs in the first place.

Hating to see needles on the street, or people shitting on the sidewalk, should be coupled with absolute passionate full throated support for UBI and “housing first.” If you hate both of them then you make no sense.

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most homeless people aren’t alcoholics or drug addicts, btw…

but, yep… most of the time, you’re spending all of your energy on meeting the lowest tier of maslow’s hierarchy… by the time you get some of that, there’s not much left in you to go and “get a job”
which, btw, most jobs very much will not be hiring homeless people, in particular…

not to mention just grooming, showering, and bathing to get that job is pretty hard to come by, in most hostile designed cities…

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And there are a lot of homeless people who have jobs, but they don’t make enough to actually live on. I met a woman who wanted to know if we knew of anywhere she could get a small towable trailer because she worked full time as a CNA but rent is so high that she was living in her car. She’d found a place that would let her park a trailer so she could at least have a bed, but didn’t have one. This woman was basically the primary caregiver for a ton of people, and had to live in her fucking car. Housing in this country is fucked pretty much every way it can be, as are wages.

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And that’s why a “shelter” isn’t enough. Heating, water and electricity should be covered as well, as long as necessary.

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And internet. People don’t think internet is essential because it’s new, and those people have been paying no attention to how quickly the world is moving. If covid vaccines can become a human right in the span of a year (and they are), then internet can become a human right in the span of 50 years. It’s a necessity to getting a job, it’s a necessity to claiming unemployment, it’s a human right.

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The kind of people who are chronically homeless might as well be commited as they’re more often than not mentally ill, or need massive counciling to bring them back into society.

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People who are actively seeking in-patient mental health treatment find they cannot receive it.

Unless somebody is in the criminal justice system and held in a hospital until they are deemed fit to aid in their defense or the clock runs out, assuming there was even space, “committed” most often means the cops taking someone to a hospital for a hold and the hospital releasing them an hour later because they have no space.

Your comment is as useless as saying people should just fly over traffic jams. It contributes nothing to solving any issues.

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What for all the PTSD they might have for being despised by society. Mental healthcare should also be a right, but we can start with food and shelter.

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National Conservatives: Ok I concede that housing is not a right. Next question?

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WhY sHoUlD I use MY TaX DoLlArS tO pAy FoR pEoPlE wHo ArE TOO LAZY tO wOrK

This is also their argument against universal healthcare which I find astonishing.

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I’m for available free housing and a Universal Basic Income, not even so I can quit working. I want it so I can quit working with people who won’t pull their weight. If I’m going to carry your sorry ass anyway, let me do it in a way that saves me having to interact with you. It could probably all be paid for by the amount my country’s military misplaces every year, too.

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Huh, I never thought of it from this perspective.

It does rely on those people being aware that they’re not pulling their weight though. I’ve also worked with people who accomplished very little but thought they were the most productive ever and gods gift to the business

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Ironically my argument for both housing and healthcare is 'why spend more of my taxes denying (healthcare or homes) when they could more cheaply provide"

Policing the homeless is expensive. Government protections required for American health cartels cost a fortune. It’s amazing that the less human option is also the less economically sensible. What an amazing scam.

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The larger argument is providing homes for unhoused criminals. It’s much more difficult for people to get steady work in the US with a criminal record, resulting in frequent unemployment and homelessness. Normalize the concept of rehabilitation. Consider your own past before defining someone else by theirs.

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wtf, why is this a graphical image instead of actual text? It’s like saying fuck the blind users and fuck those who are on measured rate internet connections. Lemmy is broken. Curl -LI falsely gives a content length of zero, so we must decide whether to download an image without knowing its size. Really fucking sucks when it’s a graphic of just text.

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It’s because social media mobile apps are hostile to the copy paste function

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Because browsers don’t offer to save selected text when you right-click or long-press it. You are left with screenshot.

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Even from a completely selfish perspective, if someone is going to do drugs, I prefer them to do them within four walls than in front of me.

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I think autocorrect turned „within“ to “without” in your comment?

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It wasn’t autocorrect but my lack of caffeine. Thanks for calling it out tho lol

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And the time will come when you see we’re all homeless
Doing drugs within walls and without walls

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