I can so relate!
“Self is an illusion!”, “The meaning of life is to create meaning for the universe!” are so banal when you say it aloud, or even type.
I am confused. I’d think something experienced “as pure Logos” is the easiest to verbalize. And why is the image representing it as fractal imagery?
i don’t know if it’s a second hand reference or a direct reference to experiencing a psychadelic trip and its visuals but yes - OP either heard that psychodelic trips can bring you interesting revelations or has experienced it themselves, and fractals are an almost universal psychadelic visual, hence the image
regarding the logos bit - have you never had a profound realisation that happened so quickly in your brain and on the level of pure emotion (instead of words) that you then needed significantly more time than it took you to think that realisation to actually verbalise what you felt/thought/experienced?
to lead with the most extreme example: ego death, if you take enough psychedelics and are able to let go, you might experience the death of your ego. It’s simply impossible to describe with any mortal tongue, but i’ll try to paint a picture of how it feels. At some point in your trip, long after time lost meaning, you find yourself- gone. There’s sort of like and- echo, at the back of your mind, a faint whisper that is you, you aren’t really there anymore. If you let go of the last strand of what’s left of you, you’ll find your mind dissolving altogether and a very specific and universal feeling will occur: you’ll feel, for a short while, or maybe multiple hours, again time has lost all meaning, that you’re part of the universe, and you’ll understand that you are the universe, a part of it, but also all of it in a way, the universe experiences ourselves through all of us, and we are one, seperate only in the way that mushrooms appear to only be the bits that we can eat.
^and this is to say, trips like that are prime examples of experiencing the purest of logos, understanding, on an innate level, a truth about the world and feeling it change you and your perspective on the world, and at the same time being completely unable to do it any justice when you try to describe it, because usually it’s very hard and sometimes it’s downright impossible
Whooooosh.
They’re describing how something felt, not something that “actually” happened. Who are you to say they didn’t feel that way?
sure i was, and? An altered state of consciousness is just that, an altered state of consciousness. Whatever revelations found in that are in a way the same as sober ones, because there aren’t any answers in nature, just whatever we come up with. What’s the harm in feeling like something, anything, makes sense? Even if it’s just a fleeting feeling
I was high, and I saw myself dissolving into the universe and became one with it for a while. And that feeling was beautiful, gave me a perspective I’ll never forget, and quite frankly changed my life for the better
Somewhat unrelated, the dissolution of self can be understood with training and meditation. As I understand, the Buddhist tradition of Dzogchen (that has meditation as practice) is something like that. It is translated to modern secular meditation practices by people like Sam Harris.
regarding the logos bit - have you never had a profound realisation that happened so quickly in your brain and on the level of pure emotion (instead of words)
Logos means word. That is the confusion I was talking about. If you experience something as pure words then it should be extremely easy to verbalize.
He said “as pure logos”. I think it was meat as comparison, not as actual being. Like in “he scaled the wall as fast cat”.
It stresses the clarity with which you see the validity of your understanding, because what is more clear than “word/reason/logos”? But yet the understanding itself while being clear is not logos, only clear as logos.
in philosphy it’s not defined as such
A principle originating in classical Greek thought which refers to a universal divine reason, immanent in nature, yet transcending all oppositions and imperfections in the cosmos and humanity. An eternal and unchanging truth present from the time of creation, available to every individual who seeks it [link]
This is wholly accurate
Life uh… finds a way
Everyone thinks they’re smart but once you open your mouth that’s when the truth will be revealed.
