25 points

Always wondered. Who is going to buy stuff if noone has a job anymore (or income)?

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On top of UBI that has been mentioned (and in true socialism - everyone’s needs met beyond that, including housing, food, utilities, and so on), without capitalism the artificial “need” to “buy stuff” will no longer exist, so there’s no problem.
One thing capitalism is great at is selling us “solutions” to problems it created itself.

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“One thing capitalism is great at is selling us “solutions” to problems it created itself”

Hm like UBI.

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16 points

The rich.

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7 points

Small pool tho

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At the end of it all, it will be the only pool with money.

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1 point

You appear to underestimate the capacity of the rich to come up with ways to overspend.

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3 points

That’s where UBI comes into play

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2 points

For a guy like Trump or Elon, it’s not about owning nice things or having wonderful experiences, it’s about having people line up to kiss your ass.

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1 point

Robots

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No one. They’ll phase the proletariat out. Once we’re no longer needed as either labourers or consumers, we’re not needed period.

They’ll mess around with UBI, it will be dystopian (digital tokens with expiry dates, social credit penalties) but eventually they’ll get bored and just kill us off.

The moment is fast approaching — socialism or barbarism.

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19 points

We need base Income for everyone, at some point … the problem that some earn more than anyone could ever spend, while many can’t afford food, will just become worse.

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11 points

Just load my consciousness into a computer already. Im tired.

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10 points

No problem. You’re now stuck in Rimworld as an NPC.

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7 points

With someone using that mod

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5 points

Oh boy, I can’t wait to get gangraped by genetically modified insects which then use me as an incubator.

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1 point

I made a similar comment, but put my brain in a robotic/cyborg body or at least hook it up to a computer. I don’t care to have a copy of my brain made.

Brain VR would be pretty cool if it’s not digital real-estate/micro-transactions etc.

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What if it’s ship of theseus uploading? Every few moments, one neuron in your brain and all its pathways are replaced by a digital equivalent. One single neuron. Are you still yourself? If yes, repeat.

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What’s more likely, in practice is an expansion of self into hardware.

Basically, if you bolted a computer to your brain, you would still be you, just with better memory etc. If, at this point, your brain died, then you die. However, if you kept adding to the computer side, more and more of “you” would be software based. What happens at 90% (10x capacity) or 99%? If your brain were to die, “you” only lose 10% of your capabilities. So long as everything critical is duplicated in software, the pure software version of “you” can go on thinking.

Critically, there is no neuron duplication here. It relies on both the plasticity of our brains to adapt, and the fact our self is continually updated.

Interestingly, the first cases might not even be truly planned. What happens when your “neural AI assistant” can continue to function after your death. If it is self aware, and believes it is you, at what point is it still you?

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Human-contact based jobs should still all be available. Frankly speaking: apart from the AI hype which should just make automated tasks easier, faster and error-proof in the digital world, what jobs are we talking about? Robots have been available since the industrustial revolution began since any machinery can be seen as a robot. Are we talking about luddism?

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Ill gladly give a robot my human contact job. Retail customers destroy the soul

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5 points

The objection is not to the technology but to what capitalism does with it.

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4 points

Automation is massively reducing the required headcount for corporate bullshit jobs (most american jobs?). Instead of 20 people shuffling an excel file around we just have one python script.

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Warehouses are becoming automated as well. Why have However many forklift drivers plus a maintenance department when you can just have a maintenance department. You might need a few new hires for the robots though.

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And the forklifts removed dozens of jobs a piece in manual workers using hoists and pulleys to move material.

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Yeah, as a nurse, hearing about the AI ‘revolution’ in context of the ongoing extreme shortage of healthcare staffing just makes me think, “Great, more people who can come join us!”

I envision a future where the primary occupation of the vast majority of humans is providing direct care services to other humans.

(Note that I didn’t say the primary source of income because that should be UBI. But the primary actually what we are spending our time doing type of occupation.)

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Once we reach a saturation point of jobs lost to AI, we’ll have no choice but to either adopt UBI, or leverage the AI tech to “live for free”. That, or just eat whoever has the 5 jobs left and therefore all the money, which feels meaningless to the rest of us.

God, I can’t wait for AI to break money.

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