The company’s team clarified that their terms prohibit third-party apps from disabling ads, as it denies creators their due reward for viewership. Although the announcement did not specify any app by name, it’s plausible to presume that third-party YouTube apps such as NewPipe, YouTube ReVanced, Piped, and others might be implicated.
Is “creators” Youtube’s version of “think on the children”?
Get off of Chrome
Get off of YouTube
Get off of gmail
Get off of Google
Theres a whole big internet out there. You don’t have to limit yourself to one single company.
YouTube is the only one that doesn’t have an alternative. I mean, there are other video hosts yes, but the content isn’t there.
The creators need to start moving. Their fans will likely follow, since it’s not YouTube they are there for. But I don’t think anyone else offering free, large scale video hosting does much more, if even that, than what YouTube does. Even if it sucks, it’s better than nothing, so there is no incentive to move for anyone.
Problem being that there is no real incentive to do so, unless PeerTube finds a way to pay content creators. Until then, switching away from YouTube means loosig their revenue stream…requiring them to take up jobs to pay the bills and eventually have less time for content creation.
Living on donations and patreon alone is hard…
unless PeerTube finds a way to pay content creators
Google is a for-profit organization. Framasoft, which developed PeerTube, is a non-profit one. The only way to pay content creators is when people donate money to PeerTube and then PeerTube share that money with creators. Which is also difficult because there are no trackers to know internally who has more subscribers or which video has more views, etc. Internally as using a tracker, but you have to visit one by one every channel and every video to know its numbers.
Nebula is trying to be the alternative. It’s a paid subscription and not as plentiful as YouTube is (and maybe never will be).
But it’s a good try, give it some support, if you can
It isn’t much better in terms of content moderation though. In fact probably worst.
They kicked off JT, of Second Thought one of the original creators, for refusing to make a both sides statement about Palestine.
Most of their fans won’t follow. Convenience is a powerful thing.
There also really aren’t other options. Anyone being able to sign up and host video for free is an extremely expensive service to provide if people take you up on it.
If enough creators moved, the fans would follow.
Unfortunately, the creators won’t move to a platform that doesn’t have users to watch them. And users won’t bother with a platform that doesn’t have creators to watch.
While this can be overcome… Yeah, I think googie will need to fork up yootoob a lot more before enough on both sides are willing to jump ship en masse
I tried Nabula twice. The latest in 2020.
Service is fine but their UI + search and discover is awful. Like I can barely find creators I like when I search for their exact channel name.
Sort of true, except YouTube. I watch almost exclusively YouTube few hours every day. If it opens by mistake in a browser, it is totally unwatchable with ads inserted even in short videos. I hope reVanced will manage to avoid detection somehow, otherwise it is quite hopeless. Yes, I can pay for premium, but the app will be full of stupid crap and no gesture controls.
Youtube in the Browser? uBlock Origin. Never have any ads.
Edit: I am on Firefox.
Getting off youtube is pretty difficult with no true alternative.
You forgot to add get off Android, which would also mean just going Apple. There is no good alternative there either.
I’m excited about Linux phones like the Pinephone, but they’re really not ready for anything more than Linux enthusiasts to flex. I was hoping to switch, but I need a new phone now, so I’ll probably get a Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it. At least that way I control what data Google gets access to.
YouTube is not a mandatory necessity. We live in a world of infinite sources of recreation. Get off YouTube has absolutely no requirement for an alternative to exist. Like alcohol, music, books, or whatever, you can only just not do it.
Youtube is a fantastic learning tool for diy, how to vids, reviews, education, etc. The lost goes on, and yea it has crap too, but there’s so much use for it in every day life also. Brushing it off would be literally like saying “dlstay away from books, there’s so many other things you could be looking at”.
YouTube is the internet for me. Of my internet usage over 95% is watching YouTube
Problem is, there’s shitton of content that needs to be archived and moved from YouTube, if YouTube stops to exist then all tutorials and teaching videos and all previously produced content will be gone, people want this content, so only true solution is somehow archive all YouTube videos and move them from YouTube, until it’s done, YouTube will have monopoly, and it’s bad situation we’ve found ourselves in
Yes, the only problem is storage, with development of bcachefs it could be possible to have raid6 and block level deduplication and transparent compression, because content would be archived by the community after all and common people like you and me can’t build whole datacenters, but just homelabs from used PCs and secondhand server HDDs
That’s a stupid point to make tbh, because the most important information, knowledge and entertainment is on their platforms in a quality and quantity that is unprecedented. Meaning you can try to avoid it, but from time to time you have to use google/gmaps/yt/…
And that’s coming from me… someone who degoogled their smartphone.
Realistically Google Search and Google Maps don’t provide anything unique that isn’t provided by competitors, although a) they may provide a superior experience, and b) the competitors are not necessarily much more palatable (that is, Bing Search and Bing Maps are hardly a great ethical improvement).
YouTube is probably the only Google service where this is a genuine monopoly of sorts. That is, content that is on YouTube is not generally available on other platforms, and if you want to watch that content you have to watch it on YouTube. We might all live for the day when all content creators are dual-hosting in PeerTube or the like too, but we’re a long long way from that right now.
Although I write that as someone who only very rarely actually uses YouTube, because largely the content isn’t to my interest. Other than my local football club’s channel, I can’t think of anything on there that I actually seek out.
They do provide sth unique, because open source/privacy friendly alternatives are not supporting the same features to a full extent in one solution with a simple UX. And even Bing, as you mentioned and other competitors, fall short. I’m using Startpage (based on Google) and OSM most of the times and I’m happy with it, but sometimes I gotta check restaurant ratings or satellite view etc. Also route planning is way more convenient on gmaps even if I don’t use it. There’s probably more as well, which I’m not aware of.
Yes exactly, YouTube is the only google service I use almost everyday (besides Startpage)… but I wouldn’t know what to do without it.
Fair enough :)
I can’t get off of YouTube because there’s 20+ creators that are like family to me.
Check if they have channels elsewhere, a few of mine are on Odysee or Nebula. If that’s the case, look into Grayjay, which is an Android app to access a bunch of video services with one interface. It’s still a bit rough, but it’s serviceable, and it allows downloading videos, which is cool.
But Youtube already take more than half of what creator should earn.
NewPipe works by fetching the required data from the official API (e.g. PeerTube) of the service you’re using. If the official API is restricted (e.g. YouTube) for our purposes, or is proprietary, the app parses the website or uses an internal API instead. This means that you don’t need an account on any service to use NewPipe.
So NewPipe doesn’t use yt API and it never accepted its terms, so NewPipe is safe (from my understanding)
What about ReVanced? Should be safe, since it’s just a modded version of the official YT app, right?
they still havent cracked down on firefox + ublock
They probably will eventually, but it’s just not priority. Most people interact with YouTube via Chrome (or one of the 400,000 rebranded Chromimum browsers) or the YouTube app, both of which Google can more tightly control. Firefox, with it’s smaller market share, just isn’t worth chasing… yet.
Still dont know what the big deal is, libretube and freetube still work fine. Same with firefox and uBlock.
I use Revanced. Out of curiosity, I tried going to youtube.com on Firefox + Ublock origin on my Samsung a70. Full screen, “double tap to forward 10 seconds”, “double tap to back 10 seconds” and captions work.
