I mean in those areas where it just identical houses along a road in huge blocks.

How would you realisyicly solve it?

28 points

A mix of bike paths and bus routes

permalink
report
reply
17 points
*

I’m just going to take a moment to bitch even though no one asked.

Here in the US, can we stop just painting bike symbols on the shoulder of 55mph roads and call them “bike lanes”? No, what you’re doing is making a suicide lane. Bike paths need to have bollards protecting them so you don’t get casually manslaughtered by some idiot glancing down at their phone. As it stands, I refuse to use these criminally dangerous excuses for “bike paths”. I know the internet hates when I say this, but I absolutely choose to bike on the sidewalk instead and just go in the grass for a minute if I encounter the rare pedestrian on the same sidewalk. I’m not going to risk my life in such a dumb way. We need to improve these.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

I’m the same. I bike where I feel safe, and that’s as far away from cars as possible.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

I fear for my cycle loving wife everytime she rides. She only has a short portion riding on a 40mph road but that is obviously still extremely dangerous. Our infrastructure is quite lacking.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

The bike lane has to be proper and safe, or it’s worse than nothing. It’s just a thing that officials can point to and say they did the thing, when in fact they did not do the thing.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points
*

Thanks man, I agree.

Sometimes the hive mind likes to downvote and ridicule me over it because “tHe sIDeWalK iS OnLY fOr pEDeStRiaNS”. Like no shit I get that. But I’m sorry but I’m not risking my life over something so needlessly dangerous.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

We have interurban trails here that connect suburbs to downtown and with the proliferation of e-bikes, there are so many people traveling that way now. I’m a little too far away to be connected to it but my hope is that the approach expands.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

That sounds awesome. I hope that approach spreads too

permalink
report
parent
reply
22 points

Bus stops on the main road(s), placed so everyone has a stop within a 15-20 minute walk.

Sort of agree with others suggesting getting rid of the neighborhoods in the first place, but sharing walls is hell. When the only way to speak confidentially in your own home is to whisper, it’s impossible to wfh or have a telehealth appointment (or, worse, a teletherapy appointment).

permalink
report
reply
13 points

15-20 min is too far, if it is going to have any impact, the distance to the closest bus stop can’t be any further from houses than 10 min.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

That sounds more like a old/cheap construction problem than a shared walls problem. I live in an apartment with solid concrete walls built in the 80s and I never hear my neighbours unless they are full-on screaming, which I’ve only heard happen once.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

The sound is bad enough but with properly constructed walls, it’s not a problem.

I have other problems with shared walls. Your neighbors have cockroaches? Now you do too! Bedbugs? Yep those can come on in too. If you live in an apartment, then you bet the landlord will cheap out and not do as effective treatments. You think being clean and not keeping things in cardboard will stop them? Maybe temporarily but they’re just waiting to come back out from the walls where they weren’t treated. Joy!

The other thing is that if your neighbor smokes cigarettes inside, then you get some bonus secondhand smoke. If you have bad reactions even with allergy medications and HEPA filters, well I guess it’s time for you to move or suffer. (You didn’t want to use your PTO on anything not sick days right?)

Did your neighbors have a plumbing problem that they neglected? Congratulations on your new mold in your shared walls. (You wanted to call code enforcement on your landlord about this? Good luck, they won’t enforce it.)

I’m sure there are real solutions to my above problems but my reality is that the only solution is to move when it’s too much to bear. (Haven’t lived in one place for more than 2 years because of it…)

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Even worse. I lived in an apartment that suffered water and smoke damage because my upstairs neighbor fell asleep with a cigarette in his hand. It could have been worse than just a fire really. We could have all lost everything or someone could have died.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Don’t build your houses out of cardboard then

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I’m confused. When I lived in apartments, I never built them myself. Can you explain how one builds one’s apartment?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

It’s the housing market in general, it’s too often cheap crap

permalink
report
parent
reply
21 points

As a Strong Towns article pointed out, solving the problem with cars is not the number of people that drive, but the number of people that drive × the average miles that each person drives.

We can reduce the number of miles that the average person drives without taking away anybody’s car, and make transit more cost-effective by reducing the distance it has to go, by simply putting destinations closer together. Zap the exclusive residential zoning laws. Intermix cafés, shops, restaurants, doctors offices, community centers, and such, with the existing neighborhoods. These things are all quiet, and low-impact, barely noticeable among houses, if they don’t need giant parking lots.

permalink
report
reply
3 points

Zoning laws are so bizarre. I remember encountering them for the first time many years ago trying to play SimCity and being confounded by what felt by wholly arbitrary game rules. They genuinely accomplish nothing at all, so why have them?

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

It’s not that they accomplish nothing at all, but what they accomplished was evil. From my studies and reading1, I think that zoning law started out with good intentions to keep noxious industry (tanneries, blacksmith shops, livestock, etc.) away from dwelling places. Like so many things in the United States, though, it quickly got co-opted for racism.2 The Supreme Court issued a decision barring housing discrimination, so the Federal, state, and local governments turned to zoning laws to keep Black people out of white neighborhoods by, e.g. mandating minimum lot sizes, and construction methods, that priced suburban houses out of reach for Black families. Nowadays, we have this pervasive myth that such restrictions were to foster a rural aesthetic, for environmental preservation, or the result of auto industry lobbying, and those probably contributed, but the root of it was segregation. This becomes clear when you learn about what happened when some Black families succeeded financially anyway, and tried to move into white neighborhoods, like the Cicero, IL race riot of 1951.

  1. Zoned in the USA by Sonia Hirt is a dry, but good read for a super-nerd, as it compares Euclidean zoning in the U.S. to land-use laws in Europe.
  2. The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America by Richard Rothstein blew my mind with evidence of just how deliberate and explicit it was.
permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points
*

You apply the same concepts used for car traffic management to public transit. You have local access, collectors, arteries, and controlled access express/freeways. The frequency and speed of service goes up with each level, while number of access points decreases.

The problem with public transit arises when you expect it to be single modal- like most people in America, since they’re used to single-modal cars.
Single modal public transit works when density is very high and you can expect services to be within pedestrian distances of half a mile or so of any public transit station (access point). But the lower density of American cities breaks those systems and makes them slow and unusable since the number of access points for pedestrian walking distance to most services needs to be insanely high, leaving the entire network underserved and underutilized. You have to artificially increase density by “funneling” larger areas into a smaller public transit network to make them work efficiently.

Things like busses and trams work for collector/arterial tasks, while direct passenger rail works for the rapid point to point expressway.

What you need to do is then promote self driven transport on the lower neighborhood and collector levels, while supporting public transit at the artery/expressway levels. An ideal way for this in my mind would be promoting advanced bicycle/moped networks on the local access level that feed into collector roads, providing distances of 1-4miles traveled from a home to the first arterial bus or tramway. The busses that run on the arterial level would need to be redesigned to accommodate users bringing their bikes or mopeds with them to use on the other end of their journey, which really expands the reach of the network. They then have to transfer between types a limited number of times while in network.

As long as you can limit a journey to 2-3 mode transfers, and make those transfers as seamless ad possible, it can be made a lot more efficient and user friendly. Providing users the ability to retain advanced mobility (bikes/mopeds) on both ends of the public transport network also eliminates a lot of the range anxiety car-centric people may otherwise feel when getting on public transit.

I personally commute entirely by car but that’s because it is a long, largely rural drive with no density to support any kind of public transit. My specific case is unusual though, and if I did live in a city, I would be okay with the above system for a majority of my commuting. I would still own a car for long or special trips, of course. I like it too much.

permalink
report
reply
13 points

Not certain what exactly you mean by “solve”, but some solutions already exist like park and ride. I also think as ebikes become more popular they will also solve the “last mile” problem.

permalink
report
reply
1 point

I mean to bring these kinds of neighbourhoods into the mainstream parts of a public transport system.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Ask Lemmy

!asklemmy@lemmy.world

Create post

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have fun

Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'

This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spam

Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reason

Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.

It is not a place for ‘how do I?’, type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


Community stats

  • 9.6K

    Monthly active users

  • 4K

    Posts

  • 216K

    Comments