Kelly: Is there a downside? I’m thinking of people trying to find a parking place, for starters.

Horowitz: So we see that in places that have actually eliminated parking minimums, that we see fewer people driving at all and having cars and we see vehicle miles traveled decrease because people can get around via other mechanisms.

Well, now, would you look at that?! If we change the incentives, if we stop incentivizing driving by law, people change their behavior. In this case, they can save a ton of money by not needing a car.

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because people can get around via other mechanisms.

You have to have the “other mechanisms” for it to work. So it’s really just saying that public transportation works.

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My favorite is when they purposely sabotage public transportation and then make that the case study for why it never works

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I agree.

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Yes and no. Things can be built much denser without the need for all the parking so walking and biking become much more viable.

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You have to have the “other mechanisms” for it to work.

No you don’t. Just fix the zoning and people will figure it out, public transit or not.

“But we can’t reduce parking until we have transit” is (a) backwards and (b) often a bad-faith excuse given by sprawl-supporters.

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Tell that to the folks about to be late for Jury Duty unless they fork over 25 bucks to park.

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Where I live, the trials take place at the county courthouse, and parking for jurors is at the county parking structure across the street. It’s a typical pay-on-exit system, and jurors get a paid ticket to stick in the machine, so there’s no out-of-pocket cost for parking.

Yet another way we subsidize and encourage driving…

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Some other folks just took the bus.

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Sounds like one way to realise they didn’t plan ahead. Find out what your options are, and pick the option you like the best before even leaving home.

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Less space wasted on parking lots also makes for short distances between places. How about a bicycle? Or… legs?

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That’s just an argument for building infrastructure to support it which isn’t different from what I said. WTF is with the seemingly snarky bicycle or legs comment like I’m against either somehow?

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The infrastructure for walking is actually quite a bit smaller than that for parking cars. The smaller infrastructure might actually allow you to talk from building to building in mere seconds!

Same for bicycles. Bonus: they don’t smell, don’t pollute, don’t make as much noise, you can carry them when broken, etc

Cars are handy for long distances, or for heavy loads. Tho you could use a bakfiets for the latter

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Not even. There are several parking lots in my city that are way bigger than they need to be. They’re not even full on Black Friday. The lots are just unreasonably big for no reason.

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