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If you don’t care about it then you shouldn’t be investing your (valuable, finite) attention in it.

So all that weak stuff, be slackful about it. Squeak by on the halfassed minimum.

And the stuff that matters, do it perfectly.

That’s what every great artist/inventor/scientist/philosopher/etc has done since forever.

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Some of that “weak stuff” includes things like:

  • Basic Hygine.
  • Maintain relationships you care about but struggle with.
  • Focusing on a conversation that is interesting or has valuable information you need but drift off after 30 seconds because you notice something in the background, a misplaced hair on their face, or your brain over corrects and you get stuck in the “must focus” internal mantra.
  • Remembering to eat instead of hyper focusing on a project and time blindness kicks in and it 14 hours later.
  • So-man-other-things.

ADHD is a fucking struggle mate. And your advice is oblivious to the realities of the struggles and life.

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The greats are often famously slovenly, antisocial etc.

And here you are, pushing mere shame.

Your shame seems small, comparatively .

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This is some serious r/iamverysmart over simplicity. Nothing I said was shame mate.

I like living without stinking to high hell, having teeth that aren’t rotting and infected, and not being covered in rashes and fungal growth because I am maintaining personal hygiene.

I love having friends. They bring me so much joy, happiness, shared interests, and introducing me to activities I enjoy.

Listening and not being constantly stuck in my mind allows me to build my knowledge and wisdom instead of some neckbeard elitist iamverysmart intern hellion.

I don’t mask anymore, but I’m also not going to be some shitstain that believes they’re the next “great” just because I am not nerutypical and have a false belief that the greats are-just-like-me because I’m neurodivergent.

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Yeah, because clearly everyone without an ADHD diagnosis is a calm competent person with their life together. /s

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I feel like this tells a lot about the state of the society we have where most people can’t be what they want to be if they want to also make a living

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ADHD is not a personal problem, it’s a socioeconomic problem.

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No. You don’t get to deny the very real PERSONAL harm done by this condition. No amount of socioeconomic changes could ever stop the personal problems.

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Nobody denies ADHD causes personal harm. But the cause of that harm is the rigid society not being facilitating to people with ADHD.

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I think it’s a personal problem too, because the human condition itself demands certain tasks that we might struggle with, but I absolutely understand what you’re saying.

Despite my positives with ADHD, like being able to flip between constant emergencies all day, and getting constant praise for my work, my last job was threatening to fire me because they noticed I was 1 minute (literally 60 seconds) late a few times.

Good riddance to 'em, they had no idea how much effort it took to get within that margin with traffic patterns that change literally every day. They were also okay with getting there ridiculously early and jusy idling their SUVs in the heat until they could go in. Clown world.

I find that’s somewhat of a norm systematically. Society will think it’s “fair” to hold everyone to a standard of constant ridiculous feats of executive function that have no tangible effect on outcomes, measured by raw numbers at face value, and use this “data” to determine your worth as a person.

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Despite my positives with ADHD, like being able to flip between constant emergencies all day, and getting constant praise for my work, my last job was threatening to fire me because they noticed I was 1 minute (literally 60 seconds) late a few times.

yes, but this a very clear example of what exactly I’m saying, no? This is not a requirement of human nature or something. It’s just an idiot boss.

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I mean it’s both. Not being able to do your chores is bad no matter the society.

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And it’s bad because they’re “chores” who “need to be done”. In a different structure which recognised the needs of ADHD people those chores would never have been assigned to you in the first place.

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“doing your chores” is a sedentary live problem where people stay at the same place long enough that their traces are not erased naturally.

ADHD is the perfect mindset for a nomadic society. Stay to long at the same place (and risk ravaging its ressources)? No problem, you’ll get bored before that happens and seek a new place!

Sedantarity and land owning is a problem to nomadic people everywhere 😁 Of course this is no longer valid in an overcrowded world like ours.

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Like how else is it supposed to work currently? Who wants to deal with people’s trash? Who wants to transport people around at 4 am in his bus AND have to deal with the shit attitude of people on top? Etc.

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That’s the funniest thing about payscales and such. They’re far from the meritocracy we’re sold from our first birthday.

Ask France what happens when their garbage stops going out.

Or hey, you also mentioned bus drivers, I couldn’t pick just one article about city and school bus drivers striking, but in road-dominated societies, that’s a pretty big deal.

So really, a ton of this is simply recognizing who does the work that actually keeps society going. If people like waste management and transportation and other services were actually treated with respect, they also wouldn’t have to deal with as much “shit attitudes” either.

But instead, they’re constantly pointed at by the communities they serve, who say things like “You don’t wanna be a garbage hauler or bus driver…study hard so you can one day sit in a corporate office and make six figures contributing nothing to society!”

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That changed sometime in the last 10-20 years.

Now you hear people talking about how good those jobs are and how well they pay.

I’m like 99.9% certain that change happened because of those robot arms on garbage trucks.

That’s all it really took.

They still pay well, and it is not all sunshine and roses, a dump will still stink and trucks will still have to be washed, but it’s not anywhere near as backbreaking now.

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Some people like doing work like that, the thing is just that these jobs are treated like trash and underpaid

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Some people like doing work like that

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Liking something and settling for something are very different things. Most of society is built up around excellence and providing those who can with opportunities to do so.

The big issue with this is that it can make tons of people feel guilty for never living up to their aspirations. Mediocrity is frowned upon yet it’s the majority of the bell curve.

Go to a job you don’t hate, don’t hurt others, enjoy life when you can.

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I enjoyed working as a dishwasher, but I’m 6’3 so my back hated it.

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You know, that’s a great point. I’d totally do a “shit job” if it paid decent and be a ton happier. I’m trying to organize and lead and only doing it for the money, and I hate it.

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We need to compensate people well for this sort of work. There are a lot of people doing this work right now who are not compensated fairly for this work.

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Good point, there are tons of people who can do it. Hence no need to pay them much, since enough do it for less. How to change that? If the people above, saying they would do it for more money, actually do it… What about those doing it now? You only need so many bus drivers etc. and obviously when too many apply higher qualifications will win. Can they do what they did previously?

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I feel personally attacked.

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