What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?
No it’s going to be their fault. If we lose Social Security, Medicare, public schooling, basically every social safety net, any regulatory power the government has, and a right to free and fair elections then that will absolutely be on them. They’ve said that those things don’t matter to them in this scenario. If you’re for the destruction of all that then fuck you. It’s pretty simple.
What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected.
If Trump is elected, I will blame both Biden AND the protest voter.
But not the people who chose someone supporting genocidal actions instead of the people demanding better.
It’s this simple, if all of y’all who spend your time trying to convince those of us who don’t want to support sending Israel all the weaponry they want, while defending them against the consequences of their own actions, while using our money to do so, and having Israel use $13b a year of our money to do so, would instead work with us, we could actually make a change:
And if at the end of the day that causes us to lose, it means that America is full of people who support this and they should get their way.
At least we find out where we really stand.
You guys spend all day trying to drag us to the side of “ Okay with sending bombs to kill more children.”, maybe you could drag people to the side of “Let’s not send more bombs to kill kids:”
I know which side I am staying on, and if we get outvoted, such is democracy.
People demanding better is not a side, and thus cannot win. The let’s not bomb kids side has zero power. Your choice is between bombing kids and bombing more kids. Enabling the bombing more kids side means your fake morals outweigh the sloppy real-world political situation that actually exists.
Your house is on fire. You are standing equidistant from a full petrol can and a bucket of water, and you’re deciding not to act because neither is the perfect solution.
In the short term, your position is justifiable. But in the long term, it’s anti-democratic. The reasoning you’ve provided here has been used for many elections in the past and can be used forever into the future. But if we’re forced to choose between two bad parties, and there’s never a chance of a third party accomplishing anything good, then nobody will ever represent us.
And if we’re stuck in a non-democracy forever, then it makes sense for people to pursue other more radical solutions. Is that what you want? It’s the natural implication of your message.
Or work with us to pick a different candidate.
Make clear we won’t stand for him and that their only option is to run a new candidate.
As long as you keep giving them what they want, they won’t change
yeah thats what we are saying.
and if both options mean genocide (or one is only less bad about it, whatever that means) them its time to reconsider if you truly live in a democracy
US democracy is weak. With first past the post voting, a two party system is inevitable. But not voting Biden because he is “genocidal” is the dumbest excuse ever.
Fight to change the voting system, but don’t fight it by getting a literal fascist elected. Because that’s what you are responsible for if you don’t vote.
What’s dumb is putting “genocidal” in scare quotes and acting like genocide is not actually that big of a deal. I won’t vote for Biden or Trump because I value my vote too much to give it to an evil scumbag, red or blue. I’ll vote for Jill Stein or Cornel West.
I guess if you live in an already decided stronghold state then go vote for whatever you want. Otherwise, don’t let a fantasy get in the way of the only obvious option if you like democracy.
How will stein or West get past 270?
They can’t
Congrats you’re still helping trump.
Logic really isn’t your strong suit is it?
So which is it? Jill Stein or Cornel West? You can’t vote for both and I suspect that if you were being sincere you would know.
Look, the humanitarian situation in Gaza is indisputably horrible and it’s absolutely the fault of Israel’s government. It may very well be genocide. International investigations will show.
Right now, it’s a war zone and it’s very hard to gather reliable evidence. That’s why I put it in quotes.
Not voting for Biden on this single issue is insane. It directly benefits Trump who, other than Biden, won’t try to ease the situation. He will actively make the conflict worse. He’ll also do his best to dismantle what is left of US democracy and worsen the lives of millions of people.
Fight for a better voting system. Protest against Biden’s foreign policy. But please don’t throw away your vote and give the world another term of Trump.
I’m voting for Biden. Harm reduction as the article said. But, I have a much better understanding of why people would protest vote after reading the article.
And if Trump wins 2024, we can’t put all of the blame on protest voters, when Democrats aren’t listening to their base.
Anyone against voting uncommitted supports genocide, plain and simple. There’s no other explanation, Biden doesn’t even lose anything from those votes, it just let’s him know that his base is pissed about him supporting genocide. Vote uncommitted or for a less zionist candidate, if you don’t or you’re against this then your position on Gaza is clear. What other reason would there be to oppose that?
Primaries. This is about primaries. There’s other dems running that’s aren’t as zionist, you should vote for them or uncommitted
Biden isn’t getting primaried you absolute doughnut…no this is not at all about primaries.
