Donald Trump offered to weaken climate regulations in exchange for a $1bn contribution from oil company bosses to support his return to the White House later this year. During a dinner for senior oil executives at his Mar-a-Lago club last month, Trump “vowed to immediately reverse dozens of president [Joe] Biden’s environmental rules and policies and stop new ones from being enacted” if they gave him the money, according to the newspaper. One top priority for the executives, which Trump said they would get “on the first day”, was an end to the freeze on permits for new liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports, the article notes.

84 points

This is one bold example of the differences that matter in this election.

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One side tells you directly how they will fuck you over.

The other side lies about how they will fuck you over.

They are both the same and will fuck you over.

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i’m almost 100% sure you both sides people are bad faith actors because nobody can be that stupid. gtfooh

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Bad faith my ass.

The entire system is corrupt. I trust none of them and they fact that people vote the lesser of two evils kinda proves what I’m saying.

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Yea… no. Trumps clearly fucking worse on the environment.

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I never claimed one is better then the other. They all suck, the system sucks and bribes (aka lobbying) is to blame

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They are not the same.

I don’t like Biden, or most Democrats, and I agree with you that they are fucking us over.

But they are not the same.

Biden won’t need to pardon himself when he leaves office (assuming he’s alive).

If you don’t vote for Biden, you’re voting for Trump. When you don’t vote, you’re voting for the people who say your vote doesn’t matter, who say you have no power, who say both sides are the same, and nothing can ever change.

If you wait for the perfect candidate to go out and vote, then you are voting against progress.

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Trump’s promise is literally to undo what Biden did, so it would logically follow that you’re an idiot.

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Biden’s promise is that Trump won’t accept election results, and the nation will be plunged into cataclysmic ecocidal fascism.

So why is he spending his time outlawing tiktok instead of truth social if the risk is truly so monumental? Why does Biden seem to care more about allowing trump to run than halting fascism? Why would the democrats rather lose than shift left?

The funniest part is watching liberals try to understand where this discontentment on the actual left is coming from: is it russian bots? Is it maga trolls? Is it Chinese agents? As opposed to the revelation that maybe some people are further left and more apathetic than run-of-the-mill American liberal democrats. Anger at Joe Biden is anything but inorganic.

Marxists weren’t warning about the inevitable alignment between fascists and liberals for 200 years for nothing, you know. There’s history behind that argument.

Take a step back and understand you are now arguing in favor of perpetuating your ecocidal, genocidal, and imperialist political project at the expense of 32,000 palestinian lives. You are the bad guy. I suspect that 30 years from now when the choice is between democrat who wants 5 genocides and a republican who wants 10, you’ll still be screeching about how important it is to vote for 99% Hitler since political analysis for liberals stops at the revelation that 99<100.

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Both sides might be bad, but one side is neoliberal and the other side is fascist, give me the neoliberals until we can dismantle the systems that allow both to exist.

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This is one of the reasons why it’s disappointing to hear progressives and center-left people talking about not voting for Biden over his response to Gaza. There are literally thousands of other issues where a second Trump term would disastrous. Plus, Trump would be disastrous to Gaza as well. Makes no sense.

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It’s worse than that. Even if by some miracle we make it out of a second round of Trump, the DNC isn’t going to learn their lesson. They didn’t learn it in the past when they lost, they aren’t going to learn it now. They’ll keep on doing the same thing they always do, maintain the status quo at the worst, and make limp progress at best.

The problem here is systemic to our election system. It’s not going to be solved by pissing away votes through 3rd party and protest votes. The DNC won’t give a single shit. The only way this gets solved is if we dismantle FPTP voting in this country, and push hard for election finance reform, and a ban on lobbying.

So in the end, it seems like a bunch of people are going to end up letting Trump slip into office, and it will be a disaster. Accelerationism only hurts people. It isn’t going to result in a utopia.

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We gotta vote in every election and vote hard left when possible. And it’s gotta be millions of us.

Otherwise, we’re getting more of this. But I’ll keep doing my part.

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Agreed. For what little it’s worth, I’m doing my part.

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Yeah like fascism.

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He did the same thing with his last term. This time he’s getting paid up front.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

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Just fascists doing fascist things

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I know OP included it in the text description, but I feel like the title really needs to include “for $1,000,000,000.” We’ve all known politicians have been susceptible to bribery since the dawn of humankind, but this has still got to be the most blatant, unashamed, fuckery that I have ever read.

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