Beehaw admins: there are only four of us moderating everything
Community: so ask people to be admins mods
Beehaw admins: i can’t understand a goddamn word you’re saying
Edit: meant to say mods not admins
It doesn’t make sense for moderators to have full admin access. Lemmy allows multiple moderators to a work a community, and BeeHaw just needs to do that.
I personally find beehaw’s moderation weird, I get that you’re trying to create a safe and regulated space, but you simple can’t do that with 4 mods on the entire instance. I do think that their decision to jump to defederation is a result of these 4 people being overworked and simply not having the time to rationally evaluate the situation.
if they want to continue like this they’ll have to evaluate on whether to appoint proper mods to their communities or just decide to change their stance on “safe” content.
Most of Beehaw’s blocks are “generic ActivityPub assholes”, which, before the Reddit migration, was really just the worst of the worst of Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, and Miss/Calc/???Key instances, with the occasional PeerTube thrown in.
They likely just imported one of the common blocklists and moved on with their lives, which really should be “how to secure your community 101” but most Lemmy admins haven’t seem to have gotten the memo yet.
I’m patiently waiting for the day those assholes realize most of Lemmy is open ground for them to shit in, boy that’s gonna be a fun few days.
I think Beehaw have a fine idea.
I think they picked the wrong platform for it.
They split from tildes.net originally.
There is no reason why they can’t defederate from everyone when they build their community. The people that dont like it will just move away.
The sore spot is that people thought it was breaking Lemmy for a week. You can’t even tell now.
The platform allows for people to curate their instances into smaller communities if that is what they are after. They found the platform and for some reason people are mad at them for doing it. Their goal is to create a small safe and welcoming place. To do so they will inherently have a smaller community and that’s okay.
Honestly, I respect their decision but at the same time I wonder why they didn’t create a standalone unfederated from the get go.
If you want to keep the community small and tightly nit it’s just not compatible with the federation system. Now people got invested in some beehaw communities only to end up disconnected from them.
Still, it’s not like there is a guide for this. We are all learning how to make the federation work. I hope we can keep it civil toward instances that choose to defederate.
We are all invested in the same thing: Making Lemmy successful.
Isn’t a lot of Beehaws complaints the lack of moderation on other instances, not specifically their own?
If they’re struggling with managing their own content, they certainly shouldn’t have to worry about content from other instances. Any instance that hasn’t managed to sort out their own moderation should be defederated until they figure it out.
Every individual community inside each instance should have its own set of moderators or it should not exist.
Thank you for pointing this out. Almost all of the complaints I’ve seen are coming from the instances that were defederated rather than from within the Beehaw community. You can verify this yourself by reading the comments on their discussion threads about the matter. It’s almost like the users of Beehaw agree with the decision otherwise they would have left for another instance.
Reddit admins made a unilateral decision a bunch of us didn’t like and now we’re all here on Lemmy.
Why are people acting like Lemmy instances are any different?
There doesn’t seem to be many moderation tools for people who don’t own the instance
Yet. Sync for Lemmy should be coming out in 4~ weeks and Memmy is heavily inspired by Apollo and is being developed fast.
Though I wouldn’t expect mod tools in their first release.
Even if you own an instance, the tools are non-existent.
Some basics things that should be present but aren’t:
- A user directory for search and deletion
- Possibility to block communities for your whole instance
- Basic statistics. Both on the community and instance level
- Possibility to mute a user without banning them
- Allow creating a community but only after admin approval (right now it’s free for all or admin only)
- Easy access to server logs without having to dig directly inside the hosting server
- Importing block/allow lists for federations using a file or url
- Adding an administrator from the server admin UI
The API is also lacking in a way that some of those things are not possible without deploying your own API talking directly with the postgress database.
For example, if you wanted to see upvote/downvotes for each individual users, the data to calcultate it is in the database but the Lemmy API doesn’t provide that functionality.
While Lemmy is great as a platform, the management side of is glueing everything together just enough to not let it implode.
I can code, but I’ve never been a moderator. What kind of mod tools do you want?
EDIT: More discussion about mod tools: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3281
Fricking flairs, they’re very important in the communities that I’m moderating. With an ability to set multiple flairs at once because on reddit you can set only one which sucks because some posts can fit criteria to get 2 or more flairs.
Here’s a relevant GH issue: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/317
I’ve seen this and all related gh issues, but I didn’t see anyone working on it yet sadly.
okay, let’s talk turkey. let’s define some requirements for the mod tools, and then we can start talking about how to satisfy those requirements.
