134 points

remember kids, everything you post on the internet stays forever*

*unless it cannot be monetized anymore

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Everything you post has potential to remain forever even if it’s not monetized directly. Cautioning people about it makes sense now and has always made sense.

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I know a lot of people still have terrible fanfiction they wrote as teens on the internet somewhere, so the warning is very appropriate.

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The WayBack Machine would like a word: https://web.archive.org/

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Even the Wayback Machine has limits to what is available.

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Oh, that stuff is out there somewhere… in a database

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Or on a server hanging out in a landfill.

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Don’t worry, it might still bubble up to the surface in the hallucinations of an AI.

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3 points

You can’t train an AI on data that’s no longer in existence

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10 points

But a decade from now, there will be AI trained on data that will no longer exist. And many websites that GPT trained on probably don’t exist anymore.

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Really? Because I don’t think my dick pic can be monetized

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13 points

Sure it can. People will pay to not see it.

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3 points

Maybe start a charity and raise money that way?

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54% of Wikipedia pages contain at least one link in their “References” section that points to a page that no longer exists.

It would be interesting to know how many of these references don’t exist anymore and how many have just moved. Web has come a very long way since 2013 and I bet that websites hosting the references have undergone several iterations altering the URLs in some way.

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That, in and of itself, is also a problem! First of all, because such pages often fail to return a HTTP 301 moved permanently response, and second (but perhaps even more importantly) the reason they move is because the site transitioned from using static, human-readable URLs to some kind of unstable CMS-managed non-descriptive gibberish that breaks caching and linking. It’s an intentional siloing and hoarding of content.

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And how many are the site completely re-jigging their CMS with no forwarding set up.

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The online era is going to be a thousand Library of Alexandria’s worth of lost information, records, journals, news, … everything. It will all just digital-rot into the memory hole.

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And when trying to find a backup, no search engines can find it due to the AI garbage fucking up the SEO

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Well put

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I wonder how this compares the the number of businesses that existed in 2013 that no longer exist. I wonder for two reasons:

  • Is 38% similar to the typical rate of failure for businesses and other ventures?
  • How much of the 38% can be explained by closure of high-risk businesses like restaurants?

Something else that could explain a lot of it is webpages that were always intended to be ephemeral. Political campaign websites for instance.

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Also… I once created hellblade.com. We sold gaming computers with cases that changed colour with heat in the UK. Was a total disaster. Now it’s some big game franchise. Wish I’d kept the domain.

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always keep the domain

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Yeah i often wonder… Would they have changed the name of the game, paid me off, or done something like hellbladegame.com.

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disgusting. it’s like early TV where people thought it was low-rent crap and not worth saving.

it always seems impractical to store this stuff but then it goes away and you realize how much you’re missing.

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