You guys are both equally terrible, you just lack the insight.
Most leftists I know live in states with democratic supermajorities, have been misrable cunts since Obama, and still manage to blame all their problems on trump being president for 4 years, 3 years ago.
Ultra MAGAS arent any different, every bit as miserable, every bit as hateful, but blame their problems on the guy in the white house instead of the people in charge of their state.
Both sides are calcified along lines where issues I care about are lumped in with shit I could care less or flat out oppose to the point where there is literally no advantage to either side winning for me.
Leftist: „I‘m miserable, because minorities are treated like shit, we still don’t have universal healthcare and we are at the brink of a fascist takeover.“
MAGA: „I‘m miserable because queer people exist, black people exist, literally anyone that is different from me exists.“
You (very intelligent): I can’t see any difference between you two.
There’s really no point in arguing with someone like you. It’s not your reasoning, it’s just your insane self-righteous perspective. If you’re the ‘good’ guy, l’ll gladly be the bad guy. Buy I won’t really fight unless it’s fun - in general, it’s just way easier to wait until like hands you your ass than to chamge someone’s mind.
Working in public health for a few years, I’ve found that people like to focus on things they have no control over because its a guilt free way to avoid tackling much more challenging tasks that can improve the individual’s life in the here and now.
The fascists lost 80 years ago, there are just people you disagree with.
I don’t know if you’re a minority, of you’re not, your dumb ass has no reason to be miserable over their treatment. If you are a minority, there are ways to dig yourself out of your QQ hole if you pull your head out of your anus. I find alot pf people who play the victim card get isolated because nobody wants to walk on egg shells around them. There are some ethnic groups with legitimate problems, but you’re on fucking Lemmy, there’s no way you’re one of them.
Lack of universal health care? Sounds like you may benefit from getting it through a private employer. If you already have it, why are you being a miserable cunt about other people not having access? You can be concerned, but miserable cuntdom is a disproportionate reaction.
Let me summerize your answer:
„Fuck anyone but me.“
Congratz, you’re the perfect example of a centrist 👍
This may be the most entitled, ignorant, bootstrapsy comment I’ve seen on here in awhile.
Sad to say, you aren’t really wrong. We all actually need each other and have a lot to offer. It’s just too easy for ignorance and pride to get in the way.
Lol, US is fucked up, imagine being centrist but forced to vote for either a corrupted crooked clown or a senile opportunist corporatist…
Its like the Matrix, you think you have the choice when in fact either way it is only keeping the establishment the way it always was…
I can’t even tell which one you think Biden is but the fact you think they’re that similar shows you’ve no fucking clue
They only share one thing: they are both very bad presidential candidate.
Its ironic that you didnt get the meaning of my comment, it is the perfect example how oblivious american are about their political system. You are unable to see that the problem is not the opposition, but the system itself that is nowhere near what should be called a democracy.
But yeah whatever, keep taking the blue pill.
Centrism is often relative.
Someone who is a ‘centrist’ between the far-right GOP and the centre-right Dems is probably just a shy Republican.
Someone who is a ‘centrist’ by the perceptions of Lemmy could be anyone who isn’t a devotee of Mao, depending on which part of Lemmy you’re talking to.
Ah, the good old claiming that “everybody not with us is a commie” so beloved by Fascists coming from the guy who posts memes where the toon who doesn’t agree to vote for Zionist-Genocide-loving Biden is wearing a red shirt with a white sickle and hammer.
It’s really interesting to see neolibs using the same kind of argument Nazis (I KID YOU NOT!) used which was basically calling everybody not with them “Communists”.
Well, it does make some sense given that the pro-Oligarchy politics of Neoliberlism aren’t that much away from Fascist politics, the main difference being that Fascism thinks the State should be above the ultra-wealthy and then after that comes the powerless riff-raff whilst Neoliberalism thinks the ultra-wealthy should be above the State and after that comes the powerless riff-raff.
Semi-serious question, what made you want to engage with this guy in like, some kind of debate? It’s pretty obvious he’s just like, a basic bitch bad faith neolib poster that’s going around and inciting pre-election division, probably get suppress voting or some shit, idk. But like, why engage with him? What’s the point, really?
I detest hypocrisy and bad faith mindless tribalist propaganda slogans.
(In fact in the country I live in, there are actual Communists who were even Stalinists until not that long ago, and that’s exactly what I dislike about them: hyprocrisy and bad faith mindless tribalist propaganda slogans. Curiously I detest the neo-Fascists for the very same reason: it’s a judgement and opinion I hold quite which applies independently of the supposed political side of those doing it)
So I pointed out the hypocrisy and the tribalist, parroty, propagandist and even unimaginative nature of the slogans that poster uses, not for them (in my experience people who operate like that either do so in bad faith or don’t actually seriously analyse the tribalists slogans they hear before they parrot them, so logic won’t affect them in the least) but for anybody else who ponders about politics (rather than be a mindless follower of a tribe) who happens to go by and who might not have noticed this yet.
PS: Funnilly enough, the post below this one on my profile is also on a chain were I engaged with another parroty, slogan throwing hypocrite, of the other tribe of American politics (not that those tribes are politically that far apart, IMHO) for a very similar reason: that one was throwing around the “Free Speech” slogan demanding that Netanyahu gets to address Congress, but apparently wasn’t so keen on my suggestion that if Congress is indeed a place where speech should be free then anybody should be allowed to speak there whenever they want and hence Netanyahu can join queue rather than get ahead by invitations (which interfere in the Free Speech of everybody else). Tribalist slogan throwers are invariably hypocrites.
Lemmy was literally started by ML. Who misidentify as Communists. Giving communists a bad name. There are literally people here who regularly defend lenin, stalin, Mao, Soviet russia, china, North korea, Etc. He’s not wrong. And if you feel attacked I think that says more perhaps about you than anyone else.
I Trend left libertarian/ anarcho communist. Yet I regularly get called a neoliberal by many of the Marxist leninists around here for not playing Simon Says group think. Far more often than I get called a tanky by right Wingers who visit. Which is saying something because being anti authoritarian I critique both pretty regularly.
Quick Edit I don’t stand behind everything PJ posts. Some I think is in bad taste as is much of Ozma’s. But they’re definitely not wrong in this case.
It is pretty funny that the “part of lemmy” in question immediately pops up and calls them a fascist though, proving the point
i think this is vastly misrepresented. A conservative “centrist” would be your traditional conservative, what we would refer to as moderate right, or center moderate right. Where as on the lefty side, it’s a little bit more like “i just don’t like the conservatives” and that’s kind of the extent of it.
moderate lefties would be like, socially progressive people, for example. Anything past that and you start getting into harder left wing camps. The left just isn’t as fractured and extremist as the right is in certain aspects, there are definitely extremists, but the vast majority of people fall into the more “centrist” definition of political alignment.
Totally, when you’re in a left wing echo chamber it’s easy to get labelled as a centrist or worse solely because you can sometimes see where the right wing is coming from, even if you don’t agree with them.
I don’t know why there’s currently a coordinated attack on anyone who isn’t so far left that reality has left them and they’re abstaining from voting. It’s bizarre.
Basically everyone on this website is to the left of the dems, and is just settling because America’s democracy is kinda fucked
Undecided voters are Republicans who refuse to admit they’re voting for Trump.
“Ayh aint tellin’ yew who imma votin’ fer!”
“everyone has to be a raving lunatic completely committed to following one herd or the other, regardless of what they actually think. Any individual thought must comply with hard party lines”
Is that what this means?
It’s Ozma were talking about. It 100% is. They will always sabotage the achievable in favor of unobtainable perfection.
