Scientists have discovered that the recent spike in global temperatures may be caused by a reduction in sulfur dioxide pollution from shipping vessels. Ships have long emitted sulfur dioxide, which cools the planet by seeding clouds and reflecting sunlight. However, new regulations that limit sulfur in ship fuels took effect in 2020, leading to a loss of this cooling effect equivalent to a large volcanic eruption each year. Models show this reduction in sulfur dioxide pollution can explain the extra warming seen in the North Atlantic. While pollution is bad, the new regulations provide a natural experiment that gives insight into how intentional geoengineering could potentially combat climate change in the future.

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Fascinating. I heard something similar with particle pollution in big cities.

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Fascinating. Termination Shock by Neal Stephenson deals with the same Sulphur as a way to combat global warming.

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Came here to say this. Highly recommended book.

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Hank Green has a video about this and maybe we can safely replicate the sulfur dioxide’s effects by shooting sea water into the air.

https://youtu.be/dk8pwE3IByg

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I’m not sure that spreading salt is a good idea when you consider that salt kills life when you spread it on land.

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I think the idea is to do it over oceans.

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But then we’ll get salt in the oceans and kill all the fish.

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How certain could we be of where these clouds would fall once they were created?

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OPs link is Hank’s “blog post” about that video, he links to it in the article.

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For a second I thought you were calling sea water a dangerous gas.

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A while back there was a round of news suggesting calcium carbonate particulate stratospheric injection would be a good substitute for sulfur dioxide.

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This is the primary component in producing acid rain, right?

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Correct

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My fear with geoengineering is that is allows us to become complacent about solving the primary problems, and then also creates its own set of unexpected secondary problems.

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You think we can solve primary problems? Cause all I see is us driving off a cliff. If we aren’t willing to hit the breaks I’ll settle for turning the car into a bush

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Have to pave the road as we go. No turning back.

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At least to your second point, in the video he explains that there are ways to seed clouds for cooling purposes without any major side effects, and the experiment hes talking about is that this shows it can be done on a large scale. Whether it would make us complacent on getting CO2 out of the air, though, it might but at least it would be the start of a solution.

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Right, but their point was kind of about side-effects we’re not aware of at the time. So that’s kind of the entire point, that we think there are no negative side effects only to later find out we were wrong.

So that doesn’t really address what they said at all.

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Exactly this. We think we know everything when we start doing stuff. But after a while we found out we where wrong and fucked up.
We don’t fully understand/comprehend nature and how it all interacts. We shouldn’t be so ignorant to think we do understand it.

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If only we were allowed to study this approach without so much immediate reflexive opposition.

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Sounds like something China can pioneer and that the West will adopt a decade or so later after China shows it really does have no major side effects.

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A while back there was a round of interest in the possibility of countering global warming by using specialized high-altitude planes to spray calcium carbonate particulates into the upper atmosphere, and it was calculated that global warming could be countered with an ongoing expenditure of $2 billion per year. That’s peanuts for a country like China, so if climate change starts causing them significant identifiable losses I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they gave it a go.

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Hank also says that we’re at point where we need to cut emissions AND carbon capture AND geoengineer in order to mitigate climate disaster. It can’t be a one and done solution anymore, we’re beyond that

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And considering we are at risk for loosing tons of biodiversity in the oceans from this heating (see mass coral bleaching event in florida) I think we have to start seeding clouds and whatever mitigating factors we can

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become complacent about solving the primary problems

We have been complacent about solving the primary problems for decades. At this point we should be doing all we can, and if a way to combat the symptoms gives us more time to finally get our shit together and do something useful before everyone turns into doomers giving up because it’s too late anyway then I think that’s a good thing.

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