Slava Ukraini
Russia killed millions of Poles and Ukrainians, and conspired with the Nazis. Get your history right.
Soviet invasion of Poland - from wikipedia:
- 500,000 Polish nationals imprisoned before June 1941 (90% male)[1]
- 22,000 Polish military personnel and officials killed in the Katyn massacre alone[2]
- 1,700,000 Poles deported to Siberia in 1939-1941[3]
- 100,000 women raped during the Soviet counter-offensive (est.)[4]
- 150,000 killed by the Soviets[5]
Your post is racist and pro-Russian Imperialist.
Either a troll or a bot
“V for Victory” is Nazi too, right? Think about how the occupied French must have felt when they heard that on the BBC, after all the Frenchmen killed by those English longbow archers.
Meanings evolve.
Isn’t the black-red flag associated with far-right groups?
Sure. I’m sure Trinidad and Tobago, and Albania, are definitely Nazis. And those anarchists with their black and red flags, they’re definitely Nazis too, right?
Seriously though, in this case, it’s the unofficial war flag of Ukraine.
It was originally associated with the WWII nationalist Banderite movement, which has some dubious history but is important in the 20th century story of Ukrainian nationalism. However its usage has evolved and is used widely, albeit unofficially, in modern Ukraine, by lots of military-associated groups who have nothing to do with Nazis or fascism.
One of the main selling points of it is that it trolls people who uncritically believe that Ukraine is run by Nazis.
One of the main selling points of it is that it trolls people who uncritically believe that Ukraine is run by Nazis.
Literally what is being accomplished by this? I’m sure these people feel so incredibly owned by a Ukrainian nationalist flag.
Russians in positions of power have frequently said that Ukraine is an aberration, and doesn’t actually exist at all as a national identity. So any Ukrainian symbol is an act of resistance to that.
Why use that particular flag? Well, why does anyone do any trolling? Because it feels good getting an emotional reaction out of other people. Because it feels good sticking it to those people who want you dead, or assimilated.
But also because it helps to figure out who isn’t a fan of the concept of Ukrainian statehood. If the initial reaction towards a Ukrainian nationalist flag is that it’s “Nazi” then that’s a pretty strong signal.
Sure. I’m sure Trinidad and Tobago, and Albania, are definitely Nazis. And those anarchists with their black and red flags, they’re definitely Nazis too, right?
This is like defending the use of a Swastika because it is also a Hindu symbol. Everyone knows this isnt about Trinidad, Tobago, Albania or Ancoms.
I defend the use of the swastika as a Hindu and Buddhist symbol… Also fuck Nazis.
Red and black flags are pretty common antifascist circles and with anarchists and some socialists. Pretty sure the flag here is not related to the upa since it includes the trident… Please school me verbosity if I’m mistaken?
Anyways the community flag is the NATO flag. See below 👇
https://sh.itjust.works/post/2283444
Again to be clear fuck Nazis, fascists and tankies.
It’s worked though, hasn’t it? No one with half a gram of understanding of modern Ukraine thinks it’s Nazi - nationalist, yes, but not Nazi - and yet there are several accounts on the thread who have taken that bait.
Finding Nazis everywhere is paranoia, and demeans the experience of the millions who suffered and died because of actual Nazis.
No. It is the flag of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. They were similar to the country of Finland at the time, trying to make their own Ukrainian state against the Soviets (Different than the Finns who already had a state, but wanted territory back from the winter wars) Originally fighting against the Nazis with guerilla tactics,They later cooperated with the Nazis, as they had a common goal - to defeat the Russians. I’m not sure what their plan was afterwards, seeing as the Germans wished to annex that land for “living space” rather than leave it to the supposedly inferior Slavs.
Its meaning in Ukraine, and also cardinal sin, is freedom from the Russians. This is what makes it Nazi to a number of Russians, not because the people who wave it are actually National Socialists, but because they are against Russia.
It’s understated how important The Great Patriotic War is to the Russian people. It gives a great boost to national pride. It’s when they defeated the enemies of Russia, The Nazis. So crucial it is, that anyone else who seems to want to destroy Russia is in league with the Nazis. It’s how you get paradoxes like Vlodomyr Zelensky being called a Jewish Nazi, not because he subscribes to National Socialism, but because he is against Russia.
If we go by this definition of Nazi, the flag is absolutely Nazi. It is the banner of Ukrainian defiance against the Russian giant. The complicated people who once flew this banner does not help the case.
But today, what that flag means to the Ukrainians is freedom from the empire that abused them for hundreds of years and is desperately trying to claw back Ukraine to exploit them once more against the will of the people there
Kamil Galeev has some interesting things to say about how the Russians use the term “Nazi.”
https://nitter.net/kamilkazani/status/1497306746330697738#m
”Let’s discuss Putin speech. He declared Ukrainians to be “Neonazis” and promised to “denazify” them. Indeed the “Nazi” character of Ukrainian statehood and identity has long been a central thesis of Russian propaganda. Let’s discuss why and how it reflects ideology of Putinism🧵”
The whole thread is here, and is a very interesting read:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497306746330697738.html
“The USSR was already conducting huge ethnic cleansings before the war, before any collaboration with the Nazis could even start. The war didn’t really change anything - it allowed Soviets to carry on but now with a perfect excuse. We’re cleansing minorities because they’re Nazi.”
Also, in case you don’t know who Kamil Galeev is: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/europe/russia-z-symbol-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html
No because he supports fascism, war crimes, and capitalist usian imperialism
I wish this myth would die. https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis
Last I checked there are Russian crewed tanks in Ukraine. Not US crewed ones. If anyone is doing empire building, the Russians are. And before you say it, shut up about NATO expansion. Poland blackmailed the US into joining and Ukraine probably could have joined too in 2009, save for the fact that the rest of NATO didn’t want to alienate Russia. There’s a reason why public opinion on joining NATO instantly flipped in Finland and Sweden once tanks started rolling across Kerson
The ICC has also issued a warrant for Vladimir Putin’s arrest https://www.icc-cpi.int/situations/ukraine
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