This is just one action in a coming conflict. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Does the record industry win and digital likenesses become outlawed, even taboo? Or does voice, appearance etc just become another sets of rights that musicians will have to negotiate during a record deal?
There once upon a time was a band called moroon5 or sth that had no success with their mediocre band music. out of thin air and by accident one of their songs became a hit. and they felt they were artists. the wrote new songs that failed until it dawned the label: repeat. because people do not want art but emotions. like the olden tribal times. a feeling of group.
yet everyone thinks they have a good taste in music and Oasis is art.you dont. and it is not.
ban AI in medicine, because the work of a doctor is art compared to a moron5 song. make it copyright infringement if your AI solves excel shit as good as this one excel artist.
there is no intellectual property on anything.
I struggle to see how any music made by people for the enjoyment of people isn’t art
well so is cooking. knitting. telling a bed time story. if you want to call everything art.
yet the definition of art includes the dire need of the artist to express sth that the artist feels is not or underrepresented. i read a philosopher says we should stop thinking of ourselves being so special. animals have feelings too, can do planning and even reasoning. is the birds song art. nope. it is not. so to me 100% of popular music is no art but an enjoyment for people. just like birds might enjoy some chirping.
First I thought you were writing incoherently, but now I understand your point.
I agree with what you said, that our “art” is most likely just something akin to bird song. Maybe even less or something else entirely.
My point of view: Birds also have a “rebellious phase” where their songs differ from the songs of the general population. They are experimenting with new and unorthodox songs. These go away after they come of age and have to find a mate. My hypothesis (well, I’m no bird) is that there is a lot of emotional impact in these bird songs, whereas in some songs humans produce, much which previously required emotional awareness or emotional connection is now being replaced by templates, methods and formulas to make music. It’s some sort of depersonalization or objectification of the process of making music. This is probably what you meant by “it isn’t art anymore”.
Did I get right, what you were trying to convey?
Oh my wife tried this. She had it generate a song where it was Taylor Swift’s voice singing a song that wasn’t hers. I didn’t listen too closely, but it sounded decent.
This is really terrifying technology, though. Scammers are probably already working on using it to generate calls to call people’s elderly parents and claim that they are in trouble and need money.
This is really terrifying technology, though. Scammers are probably already working on using it to generate calls to call people’s elderly parents and claim that they are in trouble and need money.
Yep, it’s already happening unfortunately
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/22/1165448073/voice-clones-ai-scams-ftc
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/05/ai-voice-scam/
I wonder if these battles will shake loose the circuit split on de minimis exceptions to music samples (see https://lawreview.richmond.edu/2022/06/10/a-music-industry-circuit-split-the-de-minimis-exception-in-digital-sampling/).
Currently, it is absolutely not “cut and dried” whether the use of any given sample should be permitted. Most musicians are erring on the side of “clear everything,” but does an AI-generated “simulacrum” qualify as “sampling”?
What’s on trial here is basically “what characteristic(s) of an artist’s work do they own?” If you write a song, you can “own” whatever is written down (melody, lyrics, etc.) If you perform a song, you can own the performance (recordings thereof, etc.) Things start to get pretty vague when we start talking about “I own the sound of my voice.”
I think it’s accepted that it’s legal for an impersonator to make a living doing TikToks pretending to be Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise can’t really sue them saying “he sounds like me.” But is it different if a computer does it? It may very well be.
It’s going to be a pretty rough few years in copyright litigation. Buckle up.
What more, if they over-litigate, then the economy of the country that over-litigate will fall behind compared to the rest of the world as other country would overtake USA. There is no if or but in this scenario. For instance, poor people in third world country would absolutely leverage this technologies to boost their ability to make an income.
I mean, the issue the RIAA is raising does not seem to be on AI training, but piracy:
The RIAA has asked Discord to shut down a server called “AI Hub,” alleging that its 145,000 or so members share and distribute copyrighted music: Shakira’s “Whenever, Wherever,” for instance, or Mariah Carey’s “Always Be My Baby.” These songs, and several others by the likes of Ludacris, Stevie Wonder, and Ariana Grande, were named in the RIAA’s June 14 subpoena to Discord (pdf).
The music files were being used as datasets to train AI voice generators, which could then churn out deepfake tracks in the styles of these singers.
Later in the article:
It wasn’t clear, from the RIAA’s letters, whether the body was complaining about the databases of original music or about the AI tracks being generated out of them.
Like, I’m sure they’re spooked by AI generated tracks and losing control of the industry… but this seems like a pretty clear cut case of shutting down a Discord server engaged in music piracy.
Deepfake music is sorta a cool idea. I always thought Radiohead’s My Iron Lung sounded like it would be amazing performed by Aerosmith. AI could make that happen.
I have excellent news for you! AI music is making great progress. (nsfw in that you likely don’t wanna play this in the office)
Oh, so they want a repeat of the Jammie Thomas-Rasset case? Lawyers must be bored.
The children yearn for the vocaloid
