The bodies of 109 Palestinians including 23 children and 11 women were taken to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital, and spokesperson Khalil Degran told the Associated Press that more than 100 wounded also arrived to the hospital. In addition, he said the rest of the 210 Palestinians killed were taken to Al-Awda Hospital after the spokesman said he spoke to the director there. But the numbers at that hospital could not be confirmed by the AP.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to continue the war until all hostages are freed, but Bassem Naim, a senior Hamas official now based in Lebanon, struck a drastically different tone.
“The horrific massacre committed today by Netanyahu and his fascist government against the Palestinian people in Gaza, which led to slaughter of 210 and more than 400 wounded so far — under the pretext of liberating those detained by the resistance — confirms what the resistance has said repeatedly: that Netanyahu doesn’t plan to reach an agreement to stop the war and free the captured Israelis peacefully,” Naim said, according to the Associated Press.
It’s really hard to take either of them seriously because both have been known to lie through their teeth and blatantly violated the rules of war.
It’s almost certain that the truth of what happened will never be known for certain, because basically none of the parties to this conflict have any credibility whatsoever.
Well we could have independent journalists but Israel won’t allow any in and shoots them often.
Historically the figures released by the Palestinian health system have been acknowledged as pretty accurate. From the Telegraph : “In previous rounds of fighting in the Strip, the total number of deaths reported by the Gazan authorities have been found to be broadly accurate, not differing significantly from estimates produced by the UN or IDF. There have, however, always been disputes over the civilian/combatant split.”
I don’t doubt the accuracy of those figures but when it comes to things like Israel accusing Hamas of using human shields or setting up bases inside schools and Hamas saying “nuh uh”, without photo or video proof it’s hard to say either way.
I see your point. I tend to believe the Palestinian figures simply because they have a history of being reasonably accurate with casualty numbers and the IDF has a history of lying or at least playing down casualties
Bro you know why Israel is certain they’re doing it right? Because they took out from proto isrealis who stashed weapons and bases in or under holy sites, hospitals and schools.
Look into Operation Shark, the largest weapons bust being inside the great synagogue.
With one, you have to be cautious against infrequent exaggeration. With the other, you have to work your way through their constant denial. Both are not on point in scale of truth, and both can be used to completely subvert it for some intended purposes, but I think one is closer to the truth more frequently and by a lot than the other.
You can definitely pick the exaggerating side to start with, then work your way to the truth as much as you can from there and you’d be closer to it than starting with the other one, having a lower rate of going astray.
Amazing how reportedly 0 combatants were killed while this rescue happened.
At least one IDF soldier was killed.
The Hamas dead isn’t counted separately from the civilians. Never have been. The casualty numbers you see reported is always civilians + Hamas.
Hamas doesn’t wear uniforms, so it’s difficult for a third party to make an assessment on how many combatants have been killed in this war. Also there’s a war happening, so that makes things difficult even when the combatants are all wearing uniforms.
They have weapons stashed all over the place so they can blend in with the civilian population when changing positions. Which is why they don’t wear uniforms.
Smart strategy… if you don’t have any concern for the lives of civilians. Which Hamas doesn’t.
“In international news, the equivalent of five Americans were killed in Afghanistan today”
– The Onion, 2008
It’s up to 274 dead now.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1799715089936761144
Purportedly one of the hostages was being held in the house of an Al-Jazeera journalist/writer/editor and several members of his family were killed while trying to prevent the hostage from being rescued.
EDIT: Turns out he wasn’t an employee of Al-Jazeera, but he wrote opinion pieces for them.
EDIT 2: New article https://www.yahoo.com/news/al-jazeera-denies-connection-journalist-194749492.html - It seems that the female hostage was not the one being held at this location, but rather the three men were. The location is an apartment building and the hostages were being held on the 3rd floor while the journalist was living on the first floor. The claim that the journalist and his family were killed comes from a European based Hamas affiliate.
EDIT 3: Another article - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-confirms-abdallah-aljamal-was-holding-3-hostages-in-his-home-in-nuseirat-alongside-his-family/ - I don’t read Hebrew, but it looks like IDF is confirming that the journalist and his family were the ones holding the hostages, not just someone in the same building.
EDIT 4: Looks like the US media has gotten hold of the story finally, but it’s mostly NY Post and Fox news. Looks like they’re behind the times because they’re just running the Al-Jazeera angle.
Oof Google that name and you get basically zero trustworthy news articles either way. Does “purportedly” even count when it’s from twitter? Sounds terrible but I’ll wait for a real source
Did you Google the name? Because if you had you’d realize it’s not a news organization and they don’t make news articles. OSINT stands for Open Source Intelligence, it’s basically a discord group of people in the intelligence sector posting things they have heard going on. Looking at their Twitter they seem to cover just about anything and everything, they have stuff about Ukraine, Gaza, France, UAE, Venezuela, etc. Looking for other stories it looks like they beat mainstream media to the story by about 10 hrs.
Looking into the claim itself, it seems that it originated from Israel, but Al-Jazeera’s response isn’t that the guy is innocent but rather that he never worked for them
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805525
Turns out that the guy had written opinion pieces for Al-Jazeera and he mainly worked for the Palestine Chronicle, which is based out of Washington state. It looks like his information was included on Al-JAzeera because he had written opinion pieces, but wasn’t actually employed by them. Take that for what you will, but it doesn’t change the narrative much.
Turns out that the guy had written opinion pieces for Al-Jazeera and he mainly worked for the Palestine Chronicle
So, basically, the tweet is false, as it strongly implies that he was a photojournalist, writer, and editor at Al Jazeera. Certainly you agree because you outright made the claim. On top of that, your link clearly states, and I quote, that they are “unverified rumors that hostage Noa Argamani had been held at his home in central Gaza’s Nuseirat.” Why would al Jazeera make a claim that he wasn’t protecting him if they don’t know? But I don’t even see a link to their denial, so I’m not sure what they actually said.
No offense, but your post makes me very suspect of your implicit claims that this twitter account is in anyway reliable.
I meant I googled the name of the person the tweet called out. Not much out there from verified sources is what I was saying. I think a paid for twitter check is probably a negative in the trustworthy dept. Thanks for the extra info though. It just all seems to be a one sided narrative at this point.
A fair enough assessment for the adults in the room.
What about the children?
As sad as it is, they’re not Israel’s responsibility. It’s Israel’s responsibility to minimize their deaths, but not to keep them safe. That’s on Hamas/whoever gets control of Gaza after this war.
