There’s this who always spends her mornings walking around a local park. She’ll pick up cigarette butts and fish hooks, trim bushes, just whatever needs doing. Apparently an 11 year tradition for her.

Today she stopped me to chat for the first time as I was picking up some fishing line. We had a nice little conversation about how important it is to protect birds and how poorly the city does so. I was just about to describe how much I also care about the local wildlife and how important stewardship is.

Within two minutes she’s pointing at a bike lane and asks me if I support that. I say “Yeah, I commute on it and it’s a lot safer than it used to be”. She launches into a rant about how one bike can cause a 4 mile traffic jam and she wishes they’d tear out all of the bike lanes. We have a visible air pollution layer from car exhaust being trapped by the local topography, making the air so dangerous that her demographic is specifically warned against going outside for most of the summer. Okay.

Next came climate change. When she was a kid in the 40s they taught civics. Now kids are just told what to think. The climate changes cyclically and we’ve found fish fossils in Wyoming. People are so afraid of a perfectly natural cycle. She doesn’t care if they’re liberal, conservative, whatever. They’re taught social studies instead of civics and it makes them believe in stuff like this.

Then vaccines. She was a nurse and couldn’t work in medicine these days with that COVID vaccine shit they’re forcing on young people like me. It doesn’t even work and they fire nurses if they don’t get it. She wishes she could get all the nurses together and collectively bargain because they can’t fire everyone for refusing to get the vaccine. She’s 84.

Sometimes I see a nice old person doing something good for their community and for a brief second I think “that’s probably not a rabid reactionary who wants to spend their last years salting the earth”. Then they speak and I remember that this is the Burger Reich. Death to America.

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That lady is a casualty of the right-wing media sphere. She didn’t come up with shit like bikes causing four-mile traffic jams; she was propagandized. She bears some responsibility for being gullible, but what kind of tools did her civics class give her to see through this?

Under a better government, she’d have started with better education and there wouldn’t be a firehose of reactionary media pointed at her 24/7.

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Yep they all have fox news brainworms

They grew up when there was still a fairness doctrine so they were wholly unprepared for purely biased media

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they all have fox news brainworms

and brainworms from right wing radio psychos, there are a lot of them

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I get these little glimpses with my dad. Sometimes he’s chill and has the right take about something, then he follows it right up with the most reactionary shit you’ve ever heard. It’s almost like boomers can feel their empathy showing so they have to stuff it back down by channeling Hitler

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Oh man this just reminded me of an interaction I had. I was walking my dog and seemed to startle an older guy. He remarked about how cute my dog is and how he loves dogs. Normal, pleasant interaction. He then said “not cats though, I shoot those fuckers if they’re on my lawn” and mimicked shooting a rifle while smiling. What in the fuck is wrong with boomers?

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not cats though, I shoot those fuckers if they’re on my lawn

you encountered a hexbear in the wild holy shit

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Wow what a REAL MAN (trademark) fucking boomers.

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I’ve had two boomers walk up and gleefully describe how they want to kill two different wild animals with two different methods. Just like randomly telling a horticulturist that thinking I’d agree with the most sociopathic thing they could think to say.

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Saying to a vegan I want to drink pigs blood, just normal stuff.

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Just remember that the fascism of the USA has always been in competition with other fascism in other countries. “Only the strongest survive” is at the core of their shared worldview. So “the cruelty is the point” is really at the core of many older Americans (and many others too) ideology about American Exceptionalism. USA is special in their minds because of how willingly cruel we can be/have been. This is the core that animates so much “I got mine, fuck you” attitude. Individualism is the basis of all their “enlightened moralism”.

Never forget that the USA is a fascist state. There will be many reminders.

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Never forget that the USA was born out of genocide and grew on slavery and oligarchy. It is woven into the very fabric of their existence. Now a lot of the slavery and genocide has been off-shored, but it is still what makes the USA tick.

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USA is special in their minds because of how willingly cruel we can be/have been.

It’s very much the opposite. The propaganda narrative of American Exceptionalism is that the U.S. is morally superior. We aren’t peasants ruled by some far off king, we rule ourselves with a democracy! Society isn’t dominated by aristocratic failsons, your success or failure is based on merit! There’s so much opportunity here, anyone can make it if they work hard! Capitalism raises all boats! We never had anything so gauche as an empire, we managed a bunch of territory for a while but either granted them independence or made them states! We’re the only country to win a bunch of land after a major war and give most of it up!

Of course the reality is far different, but that’s the American Exceptionalism narrative. The whole idea is that we aren’t just another great power, we’re the good guys. A shining city on a hill.

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That is the narrative, but I think there’s often double think involved with people like this. They will use the exceptionalism narrative when they want to make America sound like the good guy, when they’re talking to strangers or children, and they’ll really believe it in that moment. But then when they’re among close friends they’ll openly say that america is great because “we” dominate the globe through force and that is what makes our lives great and it needs to stay that way

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they’ll openly say that america is great because “we” dominate the globe through force and that is what makes our lives great and it needs to stay that way

I don’t think it’s quite this, certainly not in lib circles, and I don’t think it’s even common among Republicans. The justification for empire comes more in the form of “every non-ally is an evil authoritarian nightmare country that’s impoverished and backward and has a rogue government that will kill untold numbers of people because they’re evil.” And would you rather have us running the show, or them?? Throw in a sprinkling of “they will greet us as liberators” where appropriate.

There’s a real resistance to thinking of America as an empire. A ton of propaganda effort is poured into the idea that America is fundamentally good, and the bad parts were either isolated lapses or regrettably necessary to keep the barbarian foreigners from winning.

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I think the old American Exceptionalism idea has mostly died at this point. Sure, older folks might still believe it, but it doesn’t seem to hold sway in the mainstream like it did in the past. This turn is reflected by the grim dark realism trends in media. Idealism is shown to be childish these days, and only the adults making tough choices are going to save the world. ‘The cruelty is necessary’ is the new message of exceptionalism these days. You can see a turn starting with GW Bush’s ‘compassionate conservatism’ to Obama’s ‘hope and change’ to Biden’s ‘nothing will fundamentally change’. The ‘neoliberal turn’ is another example of what I’m talking about.

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Reminds me of the guy who I trained with at the Post Office

Wanted to open a wild animal shelter and rehab when he retired

Also thought we should have “finished the job” when it came to the Native Americans

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Pretty much my exact reaction

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46 points

What the fuck. I would go apeshit.

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70 points

I spoofed a bunch of phone numbers and kept reporting him for hitting mailboxes and damaging property

Got him fired before I quit

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oh hey sorry, you dropped these

👑 💐🍻

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ive heard the last point you made unfortunately several times in person… breaks my heart and boils my blood!

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there’s a nice 60-something hippy lady that walks dogs for a living so she’s always around and everyone knows her. And if you stop and chat she’ll say the most insane racist shit imaginable.

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