231 points

a) good for Barcelona

b) fuck airBNB

c) also, fuck airBNB

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25 points

A) B) n B)

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  1. a
  2. b
  3. c
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Very long text, that is longer than one line, to demonstrate how very long text is formatted.

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6 points
  • Thankyou for the help.
  • I tried the bullet list before and it didn’t seem to be working; it was probably me, though.
  • let’s see if it works like this
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168 points

Air BnB is destroying the housing market in my area. That said, it’s exposing a demand for something that doesn’t otherwise exist. In addition to hotels, people also want to be able to rent larger spaces, with a kitchen so they don’t have to eat out every night, and multiple bedrooms so the adults don’t have to go to bed at the same time as the kids. Hotel developers should be taking notes.

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55 points

You’re completely correct on the exposed demand issue. I would also add that in most cities (in the United States anyway) hotels can only exist in very specific corners of the city due to zoning, often in just three places: downtown (expensive!), the suburbs (so not even in city limits), and “motel alley” (which is usually an old highway in askeevy part of town lined with mid-20th century fleabag accommodations that are slowly being abandoned/bulldozed). For some cities this isn’t an issue, but in others it’s a problem for accessing the tourist attractions, especially if the tourists in question don’t have a rental car. Then there are the non-tourist visitors to consider: if you’re in a city to visit family, you’re probably going to want to stay as close to them as possible. Same with a lot of business travelers. This is a bit of a conundrum when the nearest hotel (or affordable/decent hotel) is a 30 minute drive away.

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38 points

It’s called an extended-stay hotel, they exist but unfortunately they’re not that common.

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They are also, guess what, as expensive as a hotel. What was airbnb? Cheap. In the end it does come down to the money because it used to be a big difference between some apartments offered on airbnb vs hotels. Nowadays this got smaller, since airbnb raised fees and whatnot.

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16 points

Tbh, tourism should be expensive. We should prioritize the basic needs of people such as a place to live before offering cheap luxuries.

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9 points

airbnb isnt cheap tho, now a days it costs about as much as a hotel and they have way less amenities.

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9 points

candlewood suites, never had a bad experience.

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18 points

I haven’t had any issue finding those amenities in hotels in Europe (at least in Berlin, Munich, Madrid, and Málaga, which is not an exhaustive study by any means). I’ve seen a few that look to be entire small apartment buildings converted into hotels, which isn’t great for the local housing market, but all the ones I’ve stayed at were clearly built for that purpose. So that’s the good news, I guess.

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3 points

When I vacation in Europe I stay in apart-hotels that have space, kitchenettes, etc. Just stayed in one in Munich a week or two ago even.

They exist in Europe like most nice things that make sense do… not in the USA though. Our hotels suck, the only other option is airbnb of someone’s home which is often OVER equipped and sized for short stays.

We need an in between but I don’t see it being made due to our awful zoning law issues and if they were to exist they’ll likely be overpriced

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3 points

these are thing… there are hotels like that its not the most common but its not rare either.

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13 points

You’re right, they’re not the most common, and they’re typically far more expensive.

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136 points

Good, let the people who live there live there.

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-43 points

Obviously it’s the landlord who do it for profit. It’s not like the tourist just came to the city and shove the residents out of their own home or something like that.

All this would do is shift the profits to hotel chains. The rent will never go down and the landlord will never sell.

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27 points

The rent will never go down and the landlord will never sell.

  1. Thanks for proving capitalism doesn’t work.
  2. Some countries have seizures if land isn’t used for its intended purpose. But quick search says Spain doesn’t have it.
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1 point

Yes, like thst time the indigenous weren’t improving the land so we took it.

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22 points

I guy I work with owned two condos in a development. The HOA passed a rule banning short term rentals. There were a lot of units being advertised on Airbnb and similar services so he put them on the market when he heard the rule was being proposed to beat the rush.

He managed to sell one at market but the second one didn’t sell before all the other Airbnb landlords listed their places too. He had to take about 10% below market for the second one.

Now those two places are owner occupied, and one of them got a nice deal (I don’t know about the ones sold by other people). And everything that sold in that area probably went for a little less for a while due to the glut on the market.

Making renting less profitable works. People aren’t landlords because it’s fun. They do it for the money. Take away the money and you have less landlords.

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18 points

Air BnB makes short term rentals profitable, a lot of people own property on debt and pay it with airbnb profits, if that dries up, they will sell. They’ll have to. Hotels are one of the most significant sources of tax revenue in tourist locations, airbnb offer lower prices because they circumvent the tax system and don’t pay a tax rate similar to hotels, the government wants the tourist at hotels. Period.

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27 points

People need to understand that when a tech company is “disrupting” it means they’re exploiting legal loopholes.

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3 points

AirBNB pays taxes too. They don’t circumvent the system in Barcelona, that was fixed a long time ago. Now they just displace locals because the nightly rate is higher than the monthly rate. Even if it’s empty most of the time. Which is a real shame.

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15 points

Somebody getting high on their own farts.

Bro as soon as these “owners” go cash flow negative, they will sell. That’s how’s parasites operate lol

Also making money 101

It seems like people can’t conceive idea of price going down lol

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2 points

Nobody ever say line go down line always go up

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15 points

what makes you think there isnt airbnb operators who have a chain of flats they rent out?

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7 points

Back when there were “mom and pop” AirBnb, maybe this was a bad thing. Now, a huge number of rentals are owned by companies with big portfolios specializing in short term rentals.

It’s become a really big problem in certain cities.

I don’t see this as a bad thing.

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81 points

AirBNB pisses me off, because if you’re claiming to be a BNB, then where is my breakfast?

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45 points

It’s like the Holy Roman Empire. It’s not an airline, nor is it a bed and breakfast.

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16 points

That’s the air part

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76 points

On one hand, biting that hand that feeds

On the other, I’ve lived in buildings with AirBnBs and they’re a scourge. The owners and renters of short term rental properties are mostly (not all) awful - residents should be owning property, not spoiled rich landlords eating up space for tourists. Fuck AirBnB.

I also visited Spain last month and I’ve never felt so unwelcomed in my life while in Barcelona and would never go back, so I guess the anti-tourism is working 😂

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50 points

I can understand that locals are revolting around the world. The amount of tourism exploded in the last decades. The way tourists are behaving all around doesn’t help.

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0 points

Tourism is cancer.

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1 point

Tourism is annoying. Do you know what is cancer, though? Actual cancer.

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39 points

Barcelona has 12 tourists per capita per year. They could easily do with a half of that.

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Barcelona is a diverse economic engine; it’s not a tourism monocrop town. It doesn’t need your patronage.

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7 points

I mean that goes for pretty much every major city, even the touristy ones.

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Did you think I wouldn’t notice you creating alt account dvb@lemmy.world today for the express purpose of following me around and downvoting? I guess I really hit a nerve. How embarrassingly petty.

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