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They need to give both as many and as much drugs as they want. If drugs will somehow make them coherent, make it a requirement. I honestly don’t see a downside. They can even advertise for the drugs and everyone still wins

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Biden is coherent.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MVZdS18NX8

I hate linking a probably right wing channel by the name, but it is a compilation of dozens of occasions just in the last two years. Biden is definitely not at the mental capacity to run a nuclear armed country. Neither is Trump.

And that should alarm everyone as they both are clearly put there as puppets to be controlled.

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And Corn pop was a bad dude, we know this.

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Such a good song

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Exactly this.

“Sorry Mr. President, the policies you enacted during the triple hurricane saved thousands of lives, but the drug test you took beforehand were positive for mood stabilizers so we’ve invalidated your policies and everyone who was saved by them has been taken out back and shot.”

This isn’t the fucking Olympics. But then debates are a terrible way to judge a president to begin with.

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Debates where candidates debated the actual question/issue raised were useful. Whatever we have nowadays as they talk about unrelated things and try to find their 7s soundbite are useless.

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Spoken like a true capitalist!

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Come See Capitalism’s Latest Stage Yet!

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9 points

GERIATRIC FIGHT NIGHT

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You sound like the sort of person who would really enjoy the All Drug Olympics. :-)

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27 points

So many exploding hearts.

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So just the regular Olympics then?

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No, the drug Olympics gives them downers too.

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All drug olympics you say? …wonder if they’ll have figure toking.

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I’ve fantasised about this for at least two decades, now it’s really happening!

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“Only FDA-approved substances will be allowed” (but we’re not going to do any testing so go wild!)

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I say, test both of them!

They should both be tested for drugs often, the working class is forced to undergo drug testing, why not the owner class as well, they are ‘civil servants’; by multiple people and organizations, that would be fun to see differences in reports and writeups, even more if data is shown on what chemicals are in their system.

The claims arrive as Trump himself changes his tune on how well Biden may perform at the CNN debate. Having previously called Biden the “worst debater I have ever faced,” Trump recently told the All-In Podcast that the president will be a “worthy debater” and that he does not want to “underestimate” Biden on Thursday.

“If President Biden needs to take performance enhancing drugs in order to participate in this week’s debate, then it is imperative that he and his physician disclose that to the American people,” Jackson said. “CNN’s people leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Grenell posted on X. Grenell was making reference to previous reports on how former chair of the Democratic National Committee Donna Brazile gave notice to Clinton’s team about a debate question ahead of her 2016 debate with Trump.

“CNN’s people leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Grenell posted on X. Grenell was making reference to previous reports on how former chair of the Democratic National Committee Donna Brazile gave notice to Clinton’s team about a debate question ahead of her 2016 debate with Trump.

Responding to the incident, Leavitt told Newsweek: "CNN cutting off my microphone for bringing up a debate moderator’s history of anti-Trump lies just proves our point that President Trump will not be treated fairly in Thursday’s debate.

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Trump may be a master debater, but Biden is a cunning linguist.

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Agreed that the position should be subject to drug testing. You have to be sober as a cat to pilot a commercial plane, but a speed junkie can have nukes? Insane.

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“Sober as a cat” is a funny expression, because they’re the only type of pet I can think of that gets drugs (catnip) for fun.

I agree about presidential drug testing though.

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“Sober as a cat” is a a funny expression if you have played “Dwarf Fortress” for some time. They had a strange bug once about cats being so drunk that they died.

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I mean, Adolf Hitler was a world leader with a predilection for speed, and look where he ended up. Makes sense to me.

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Both of these guys are ancient. I wouldn’t care if any of them used drugs (as long as they don’t pose long-term risks for their health) because they might as well be medication. Or are we going to be so dense that the idea that two 80 years olds are likely taking some medication is going to fly over our heads? Furthermore, where do we draw the line of what a “drug-enhancing drug” is? Coffee? Most adults take it to function under inhuman schedules. Adderall? If you do have ADHD, you do also need it to function; if you don’t have it, it’s going be even less useful than coffee. Anything else that they bought at a pharmacy? I don’t care.

All in all, this looks like a talking point made up by people who want to treat politics like a sport, where we’re supposed to watch “athletes” compete with equal opportunity for performance, which is definitely not what a presidential debate should be about.

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They’re more likely using “wakefulness promoting agents” like modafinil and armodafinil (Provogil/Nuvigil respectively, or probably some better shit in the same class) which are actually kind of amazing and I have zero issue with them taking it.

Non-euphoric, and as far as I’m aware, not physically habit forming; it just keeps you awake and alert, I don’t know how else to describe it. Essentially none of the side effects (pleasurable or not) of traditional stimulants. After about 8-10 hours you sleep pretty ok.

I’m really not sure why these drugs haven’t become more popular over the last decade or two… Probably the whole “not habit forming” thing.

I’ve got a stash that I’ve had in a drawer for 5+ years and I’ll take one like three times a year or something as needed.

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I’ve got a stash that I’ve had in a drawer for 5+ years and I’ll take one like three times a year or something as needed.

Yo, I just re-read your comment. Yeah, that’s… not good. Modafinil is deffo one of those ones youre supposed to titrate off of and going off of it cold turkey or only using it here and there is one of the ways to get those really dangerous side effects. Please stop this.

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There is no titrating off a single dose, what do you mean? Titration would require taking the drug regularly for a period of time and then stopping.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I take one on the super rare occasion that I feel I need it, which probably averages out to like 3 times a year or less. There is nothing dangerous about that, and if you think there is then you’re misinformed.

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Probably because modafinil carries some risky nasty side effects that adderall doesn’t.

Are they rare? Yes.

Are they deadly? Also yes.

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not physically habit forming; it just keeps you awake and alert…

The military would like to know your location as it keeps having problems with minor issues like sailors falling asleep while driving ships.

Jokes aside, these are incredibly habit forming in the wrong environments. Under supervision and attempting to stabilize your sleep schedule they’re great. But the abuse envelope is huge, from truckers to cops.

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Use of stimulants like amphetamine or methamphetamine, which are both drugs prescribed for ADHD comes with many side effects. When abused they deteriorate the brain and body quite strongly and they have many psychological problems associated with them like delusions, developing a lack of empathy, disorientation…

80 years old should definitely not do speed, even if it is doctor prescribed.

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They’re likely not using amphetamines, but rather (ar)modafinil or something else in that class. Which have very few side effects.

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This is kind of obvious and I probably don’t have to say it but…

Trump is doing this to weasel his way out of a debate he shouldn’t have agreed to. No way in hell Trump subjects himself to the same drug test. He’s betting on Biden not agreeing to it either so he can just say “well those liberals are obviously playing dirty so I’m out”

The drugs in question are necessarily irrelevant

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You are definitely right that this is a manipulative move on Trump’s part to make Biden look bad and get out if this debate.

But aren’t most people in their 80’s on a bunch of drugs anyway? Like blood pressure pills, cholesterol medicine, diuretics, arthritis medication etc? I’m not trying to stereotype older folks, but every person I’ve met over 60 seems to take a lot of pills… that help them live and perform actions they couldn’t otherwise.

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That’s what makes this extra stupid. Maga hats don’t think that far

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Um Adderall is not less useful than coffee for non-ADHD peeps.

Edit: reading other comments, I see what you mean. For dementia/clarity, no, but just wakefulness, yes it does something.

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As far as I know, Adderall for people without ADHD induces the self-perception of higher performance, yet increase in performance isn’t actually statistically noticeable, so it might be useful for someone who feels emotionally stuck (afraid of failing, tired), but not for someone who does not have the capacity to do well, much like caffeine only gives you the self-perception that you’re less tired than you actually are.

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i dunno dude, one time I got a gram of basement crank and was excited to try it, so I horked a rail right before band practice. our lead singer/guitarist was like “yo your drumming is so tight today, youre on fire!” and I was like “speed!”

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I mean, fighter pilots are given them to stay sharp on long missions. You think that’s because they’re emotionally stuck?

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Furthermore, where do we draw the line of what a “drug-enhancing drug” is?

I want drug-enhancing drugs

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The typo will stay.

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I’m sure both sides are “panicking”

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The great thing about a debate is that you don’t even have to watch the damned things to know who won.

Your team did! Because your team is the best and always was!

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Alternatively people like me need to suffer through them because the media spin is ridiculous on them. Not that it matters anyways, it’s not like they’re going to feel beholden to what they said.

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I’m sure it’s gonna be mostly trash talking back and fourth.

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Setting up my Trump/Biden bingo card with “Hunter Biden’s Cock” as the free space.

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OO u& the

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