Currently we are about 10 minutes into the debate.
Trump is confidently stating lie after lie after lie, basically the condensed version of his recent speeches main lies.
Biden on the other hand is saying things that are far closer to true, but he is mumbling and has already trailed off and forgot what he was talking about.
We are doomed.
Are you serious? Biden couldn’t keep his shit together for one fucking debate?
I think it was his third time speaking… he was answering one question on one topic and basically accidentally started talking about something else and then was visibly confused as he realized he was making no sense.
I am legitimately going to need to read a transcript of this to figure out wtf he was talking about half the time.
Like… Biden was just asked if his age would impact his presidency.
His response was to mumble about being the youngest person in politics originally, and uh we are building more chip fab plants, and America is awesome.
Trump is now answering the same question and is actually staying on topic for his entire answer though he’s lying a bit.
And Joe just went back to mumbling about how Trump is actually 6 foot 4, or 6 foot 5, or well anyway he couldnt carry his bag while golfing.
Yeah… Biden is very much coming across as a near senile grandpa and Trump is coming across far more well composed.
To be fair, I’m in my thirties and can’t make it through a full story without veering off and getting lost as well. ;)
It was real difficult to watch, though. As a parent, I fear for my children’s future. I’d love to bounce, but where is there to go? The US has screwed the entire planet.
Disregard this guy, he’s a Russian bot who is trying to steal your election.
The adderal or whatever they were giving him for the 2020 debates would kill him now.
Tried watch it fucking CNN gave Trump fucking shit load of talking time and Biden barely got twenty second. And fucking Trump didn’t even answer the question just went on a fucking rant about China.
Trump is confidently stating lie after lie after lie, basically the condensed version of his recent speeches main lies.
I think it’s time to change the name of the Gish Gallop into a Trump Torrent… Or maybe not, that would feed into the orange troll’s narcisism
The modern debate format is pretty much useless. It’s too bad that the TV networks need the debate more than the candidates need it. Otherwise, the TV networks could impose restrictions like real-time fact checking, moderators who could (and would) mute candidates, tough questions that candidates didn’t like, following up and asking a question again if a candidate dodged a question, and so-on.
I can’t bring myself to watch it, but that candidates can flat out tell blatant, easily disputed, lies blows my mind.
I’m not talking “I was a good president” lies that could be classified as subjective, I mean lies like “when I was president no one died of any disease” type lies that are just contrary to all reality. real-time fact-checking (of that magnitude) and insta-mutes should absolutely be a thing.
I realize “fact-checking” itself can be a slippery slope, so that’s why I try to clarify the black/white nature instead.
The slippery slope thing is definitely an issue. If you have a dishonest, biased moderator (say someone from Fox News) they could really twist things. Even if you have a moderator who is trying as hard as possible to be unbiased, they’re bound to have some unconscious biases. On the other hand, fact checking is a pretty solved problem in reputable media. Not everything can be fact-checked, but even when facts are in dispute, they can often say what the source of the claim is. The problem is that they’re not used to doing it in real time. Proper fact checking often takes hours, not seconds.
Maybe one idea would be to have a rule at the debate saying that if you were planning to cite any statistic at all, you had to provide a source ahead of time to the moderator. They could then pre-emptively fact check all those statistics, and if they came up during the debate, the moderator could instantly fact-check them. If the candidate used a statistic they hadn’t had pre-approved the moderator would interrupt them, just like a judge in a case where a lawyer was trying to talk about something they hadn’t entered into evidence.
One of the best usecases of AI LLMs, searching the internet information for facts and real-time corrections, and yet one of the ones it, by design, sucks at so bad and will just hallucinate facts being right or wrong.
This debate in the lead up to the republican primary for Colorado’s fourth district was so refreshing to watch, there was some actual journalistic integrity like you described. Moderators need to have a true contempt for sophistry. https://www.youtube.com/live/kD2rET3e5Ts
God I wish they asked some basic constitutional questions at debates.
C’mon, give Trump a chance.
Repeat after me: person, woman, man, camera, TV.
Well this debate it seemed like Biden might actually struggle more with repeating a sentence. The polls have been too close for this big of a failure by Biden. There is no good reason he shouldn’t step aside for a stronger candidate.
Yeah, the problem is the democrats have no one that’s remotely popular enough or likeable enough that they trust to make the candidate. We all know we’d like to see Bernie as the candidate, but that’d never happen in a million years when we’re talking about party-installed replacements. Because they don’t want him to be the head of the Democratic Party. They’d literally rather the country fall to fascism. Which….says quite a lot.
We all know Kamala would be a disaster, and it’d be a massive problem that the right could jump on if the Democratic Party just put someone else there without primaries—which they absolutely shouldve fucking held. Who’d have ever thought that would make sense?!
But who knows, Biden is so incredibly botching this, that it’d probably be a better idea to gamble on someone else even in that uphill scenario. What the fuck ever, I can’t even bare to watch this shit.
How much does a loaf of bread cost? Rent in NYC? Having your appendix removed? Those are the questions we should be asking them. Because I can guarantee you they have no fucking idea.
For Final Jeopardy, I want to see each of them try to draw a clock.