Trump judge?

Trump judge.

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Have the courts ever addressed the conflict between “employment at will” and this?

On side, we get rid of you when and how we please…

But you can’t go get another job because “slave master has property interest in you”

It seems like “master” mentality is still very strong within elites.

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Judges aren’t interested in being consistent, it’s just about oppressing you and upholding capital.

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Yes it does appear to be that way. Even when Congress does a good thing, it gets stalled or shut down.

Can’t rely on elected officials to deliver proper laws, executive appears to be useless and judges will stop any progress.

How many generations of this now 2 or 3?

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How many generations of this now 2 or 3?

It’s been continuous since colonial times. It’s an unbroken thread from “indentured servitude” and “slavery,” to “sharecropping” and “vagrancy”/“convict leasing,” to “non-compete agreements” and prison labor being managed by prisons directly (instead of having inmates leased out).

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sets a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets

Wtf. You could say this about literally any law. Outlawing murder-for-hire sets a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets. Making people pay income tax sets a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets. Speed limits set a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets. What a terrible argument.

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No kidding. Even regular staunch capitalists recognize that regulation is sometimes necessary. Regulation against anti-competitive practices exists because a market left to its own devices will devolve into monopolies that will be much less efficient than a competitive market. Non-competes are just employers establishing monopolies over their workforce.

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a market left to its own devices will devolve into monopolies

I would posit it devolves into either slavery or serfdom based on historical records. We all started “in free market” lol

Even regular staunch capitalists recognize that regulation is sometimes necessary.

Most people can’t the differentiate between capitalism and free market on conceptual level

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The thing is that the government absolutely knows better than the markets.

Left unchecked, markets would bring back slavery.

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Is there any legal argument besides this?

This sounds like a personal opinion lol

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It’s the Chamber of Commerce statement, so it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the law. It is just personal opinion.

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Yes.

Under employment laws you can quit basically at any time with given notice and you can apply to any job no matter who you are or what you did before. The non compete clauses are always part of the employment contract. Usually, what’s in the contract is binding, but: there’s things that might be voided upon examination. Here things like consideration and unconscionability come into play. I assume this clause would be ruled unconscionable against employment laws, therefore the clause is basically removed from contracts after the fact and precedent allows for it to be voided upon future use.

employment laws > contract law. That’s all it boils down to I assume, just what weighs more.

A lot of European countries allow only very limited non compete clauses or none at all. Moving in that direction is not really without precedent, so there’s your legal argument.

Also obligatory IANAL, if you think I’m wrong and you got sources, please correct me. I wanna learn what I don’t know.

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I think we are talking about two different things. I was mainly asking for legal reason for the judge’s injunction, looks like it is not a ruling but a stall tho.

She will rule later. That’s what I was getting, what is the reason to disagree for the judge here.

I think you described how employment law works correctly though. non compete clause is hard to enforce in many places and for most jobs maybe save of some super red states.

But I also don’t think that is their primary goal either, I would posit the goal is to “send a message” or “chill employees will to shop for work”

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Ha ha, I came to see who you were replying to but I can’t because I already blocked them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(Odds are good I didn’t find their style or content particularly edificatious)

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I think thats from the article?

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Lmao the irony “I didn’t find their style or content particularly edificatious.” My partener in christ you are the unedificatious one!

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Actually I’m antidisunedificatory.

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Okay, so I can see your comment, so I’m not on the block list… Woot!

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52 points

My first question coming into this thread was, “is this a Trump judge?” I’m glad OP answered that in the post!

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It’s always a Trump judge!™

It’s the legal corollary to “Did Trump actually say this fucked up thing?” Ha ha! You know he did, Timmy.

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Also in the northern district of Texas. I smell some judicial venue shopping. Northern district of Texas is basically now the Mordor of the legal world.

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25 points

“Corporations are presidents, my friend!”

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Sad but true.

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In all of human history, conservatives have oppressed the normal people. That’s just who conservatives are at their core. They are natural, instinctive oppressors.

Never in history have conservatives been defeated by pacifism. Never. Swift, direct, forceful action is always required to defeat them.

The slower we are to act, the less likely we are to survive this. Every normal person you know is in mortal danger and no one is coming to save us. We need action.

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It would be nice if liberals like biden and his supporters stopped either enabling or aping conservatives.

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Liberals like Biden?

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Yes, Biden is a liberal, which is one of many reasons why he supports genocide. It’s nothing new for liberals. Just look at the history of the USA for instance. This hellhole couldn’t exist without genocide.

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