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This is not being reported in the U.S. news media. Maybe you can argue it’s because it’s July 4th, but if this doesn’t come out in a major way tomorrow, I guess the fix is in.

“Trump’s name appears over and over again on Jeffrey Epstein’s message logs in the grand jury docs released this week. It is also undisputed: Trump’s name appears 7 times on Epstein’s private jet flight logs, that Epstein flew on Trump’s jet with a young girl of indeterminate age, girls who Epstein trafficked worked at Mar-A-Lago, a girl Epstein trafficked mentioned visiting Trump’s casino in a recently released deposition transcript. Trump said Epstein is a great guy who likes girls on the younger side, Trump frequently “partied” with Epstein, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell well at her criminal trial, and someone who testified under the pseudonym JANE DOE at the Ghislaine Maxwell criminal trial stated that she was introduced to Trump by Epstein when she was 14 years old,” a user posted on X.

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The article doesn’t really say anything other than phone records and flights. If the implication is that trump participated in sex trafficking, they need to say that and show proof. If they’re just trying to show guilt by association, it’s going to look like a smear job.

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it’s going to look like a smear job.

He said, ignoring that conservative “news” is exclusively smear jobs dressed up as news. If Republicans don’t have to care about decorum then neither do Democrats. If only we could actually learn this lesson.

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If you wrestle igs in the mud, they will win because they have more experience.

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Even if he didn’t directly participate, did he witness it? Turn a blind eye? I hope future reporting is clear what it is and is not evidence of, but I also hope people ask the very reasonable questions that follow from what we do know now.

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epstein was a tax man helping wealthy people to exploit loopholes using complicated offshoring schemes. rich people hung out with him.

also, trump supporters do not care about this.

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Do independents? Because they’re who this election will rest on.

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If an Independent can look at how the Republican party conducts itself and still be undecided on who to vote for then they aren’t an Independent, they’re simply a Republican that’s socially aware enough to understand that calling themselves a Republican comes with more baggage than they want to take on.

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Hmm yes, just like all the “libertarians” who started showing up toward the end of W’s time in office.

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I agree, but there are a lot of people with their heads (willfully or not) in the sand. All the wild stuff we’re all terribly aware of they have ignored or passed on because they didn’t have the time or motivation to dig into it and find the truth.

Stories like this one, the SC immunity nightmare etc. are still useful because they act as a hook to pull people into the discourse from the sidelines and at the same time keep these things relevant amidst Trump’s unending firehose of falsehoods and projections

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“trump supporters” are not a monobloc. And different people value different information in different ways, for their own reasons. We need to peel off as many trump voters as possible. Discouraging statements like “trump supporters do not care about this” help to get trump elected. If you want fascism, u/nutsack, that’s how we get fascism.

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ok thank you frogs man ❤️💕

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Smells like something a Russian troll would say.

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I wonder what the wealthy “liberal media” moguls think this guy will have done with them and their money, when he’s in office again? McDonald’s parties with underage masseuses?

For that matter, I wonder how many wealthy media moguls were on the Lolita Express with this guy?

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Who are you talking about?

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“Massage appointments” are in every conservative’s calendar.

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CSA is very much bipartisan, and occurs from every demographic. It’s not helpful to victims to pretend it’s not.

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Go ahead and compare the list of guilty Ds vs Rs, you will find that it is VERY far from 50/50. D’s actually kick out members that do horrible shit like this, R’s circle the wagons.

I’ll help you out, go ahead and take a look at this list: https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook

I beg you, please, show me an equatable list for Ds. I’ll wait.

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That’s not helpful to CSA victims whose abusers are D/d, but I guess since not as many are known/convicted, those victims don’t matter to some people.

Edit: because Bill Gates and Bill Clinton were never on those flights or call logs or island.

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Ya, ‘thecut’ is a super reputable source for news and information. Nice bot.

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I broadly agree with your assessment that most of these are not sexual assault, even if they are inappropriate.

Tara Reade ultimately did accuse him of forced unwanted digital penetration, which if it had happened, would be absolutely sexual assault. So far this is the only allegation of that nature, but she didn’t go unambiguously public until 2020 (though there’s record of a more contemporary mention of the incident in a call to Larry King live, but the call was vague both in terms of what happened and who it involved).

However, it is still one person’s word versus another, and a singular incident. Also a lot of incidents where Tara was pretty much grifting through people, so she had a credibility problem. In the accusation itself she accuses him of going to zero to 100 faster than she could have said no, but stopping when she did say no. So ultimately by every measure and the most pessimistic interpretation of the allegations, it is still not as bad as Trump’s incidents. She alleges that he “grabbed her by the pussy” which would be a grave incident for bidens history while Trump just casually says that is something to do any old time.

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I would like to see you make a post about this instead of hijacking this post. But I understand. That would create a lot of visibility for your user account.

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Why would I care about the visibility of my user account?

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You’re replying to a bot, don’t bother

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