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Good for him. I’ve never seen Jeremy Corbyn be anything other than decent and honest, and frank about his policies and why they are needed, even as he was treated terribly by the media. Hopefully he can be an effective voice in Parliament during this Labour government.

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I’m not from the UK but when I last watched something with Corbyn he was shilling for Russia, how is that not an absolute deal-breaker?

Edit: I was completely right and got downvoted for it. He wanted to stop arms to Ukraine. He sucks and can go and die in a volcano. No left-wing politicians in Poland are like this when it comes to Russia, why are western lefties so brain-dead and conciliatory to this horrible regime? Telling Ukraine to roll over and give up its land. Fuck you tankie POS.

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The UK ‘Reform’ party are Russia shills and racists and they got 15% of the vote. I think a lot of the UK’s people are misguided by the media.

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Pretty well established that Russian misinformation had a part to play in Brexit, yes?

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The reason he fell from favor was a coordinated and relentless media attack and smear campaign because he was beholden to Old Labour values, and not New Labour’s brand of limp dick neoliberalism.

That may sound overly simplistic and vulgar, but it’s accurate, and if anything, less vulgar than the smear campaign that was used to gun down his political career as party leader.

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I don’t care. I watched an interview with him and his foreign policy takes were so horrid he would be laughed out of the room if he said something like this in my country. Guess some people in the UK don’t really give a crap about Ukraine.

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Certain parts of the media/political establishment certainly tried to paint him that way, but really he was only guilty of not being hawkish enough on Russia.

He was always in favor of a ceasefire and a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine conflict instead of perpetuating an endless war.

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So… Touting the Russian narrative.

Anyone who’s been following the Ukraine conflict from the start knows this is a Russian talking-point.

And who says the war will be endless? That’s another Russian talking-point intending to sow defeatism.

What will Corbyn say and do when Ukraine commits to a ceasefire, loses 17% of its landmass, allows Russia to regroup its forces, and strikes again?

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So invade your country, grab a few parts, then we have a ceasefire and a diplomatic solution where i keep the land that i already got. And then i repeat it. Is this a “pro-peace” stand? Or is it a “pro-conquering” stance, that enables this behaviour?

Would he have the same opinion about nazi Germany invading and conquering other countries? Maybe a peace for our time kind of deal?

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perpetuating endless war

Meaning Ukraine should stop resisting its efforts to throw out the Russian invaders of their country. Literally parrotting Russian propaganda on the war.

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Exactly what does he say that was “shilling for Russia”? Send us a link.

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His victory ends a tradition of Islington North voting for Labour since a 1937 byelection.

Which is good, because voting for stealthy Tories disguised as Labour would’ve been bad.

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Not surprising. He was sadly too divisive to be a widely-popular Labour leader, but afaik he’s well-liked by his actual constituents, and this backs that up.

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If someone being consistent with Labour’s values is too divisive to lead Labour, there can’t be Labour at all. I disagree with some of his stances, but what this man suffered wasn’t internal opposition, it was political assassination.

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As an American looking in, Corbyn has always been the face of UK’s Labour Party.

Why was he ousted? The article says something about an antisemitism statement, but surely that’s not the whole of it.

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They basically did something similar to what happened to Bernie with the DNC. they did a full court press antisemitism campaign against him, but like many of the charges of antisemitism in the US right now, it was largely based on criticism of Israeli policy AFAIK.

Edit: to clarify—they ousted him because labor was looking ascendant, and the more centrist and corporatist elements of labor could not stomach the idea of actually having a PM that wanted to do left wing things that aligned with the theoretical purpose of the labor party, so they took him out by getting enough articles published in the famously above-board uk media to force him from leadership.

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By “antisemitism” they mean not licking Israeli arse while they keep murdering Palestinians.

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He was ousted because capitalists are shit scared of socialists getting anywhere near the levers of power.

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In 2017, under Corbyn, Labour got over 40% of the vote compared to about 34% yesterday. Even in 2019 under Corybyn, Labour got like 32%. The narrative in Britain might be that Corbyn was too divisive and Starmer is a unifier but the real issue is that the right wing was split this time in ways it wasn’t under Boris Johnson.

I mean, say what you want about Corbyn — lord knows the garbage UK media will — but his Labour Party did very well once and about average the next time. The main issue is that using a “first past the post” system in a country with more than 2 parties is silly and undemocratic.

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FPTP is undemocratic, full stop. Doesn’t matter how many parties.

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He was sadly too divisive to be a widely-popular Labour leader

Bullshit. He was elected leader because people wanted to go back to the party’s left wing roots.

The Blairite Neoliberal wing of the party didn’t like that, so they ousted him with a smear campaign calling him “divisive” (read: agrees more with the broader population than with the neoliberal establishment and their rich owner donors) and “antisemitic” (read: isn’t in the pocket of the fascist apartheid regime, has empathy for their Palestinian victims)

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How was he divisive?

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Fascinating. I think he summarizes the expectations on Starmer in a pretty useful way.

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Corbyn grew the Labour party to the top. Then israel coup’d the Labour party and forced him out. Now israel controls the Labour and by extension the UK.

Democracy btw.

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