Sanctions were applied after the social media platform delayed compliance with a federal search warrant that required Twitter to hand over Donald Trump’s Twitter data without telling the former president about the warrant for 180 days.

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The purpose of a fine is to get compliance, not to punish. The fine was $50,000, doubling every day. So $350,00 dollars means Musk caved after 3 days. Pretty effective tactic by the court.

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Powers of two don’t fuck around.

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Doing a data science degree right now. No. No they do not.

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41 points

The fine would’ve hit $40 billion within a few weeks.

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19 points

I think that would make his investment underwater

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8 points

$350K might make it underwater?

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7 points

How is that not just standardized and know at the time of the ruling ?

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Uhh, how does a 50k fine that doubles each day come out to 350k?

Day 1: 50,000. Day 2: 100,000. Day 3: 200,000. Day 4: 400,000…

We skipped right over 350…

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58 points

I believe it is cumulative.

50k first day

PLUS 100k next day (running total 150k)

PLUS 200k next day (running total 350k)

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The violation is committed every 24h. You do not get a bonus/discount for waiting out. It is added to your already amassed fine. The way you count would mean, that on day 5, they would get a ~50% discount in the fine (paying only 800K instead of the amassed 1.55M)

Day 1: 50K -> 50K = 50K locked in

Day 2: 100K -> 100K + 1st day 50K = 150K locked in

Day 3: 200K -> 200K + 2nd day 100K + 1st day 50K = 350K locked in


Day 4: 400K -> 400K + 3rd day 200K + 2nd day 100K + 1st day 50K = 750K locked in

Day 5: 800K -> 800K + 4th day 400K + 3rd day 200K + 2nd day 100K + 1st day 50K = 1.550.000K locked in

Day 6: 1.6M = 3.15M

Day 7: 3.2M = 6.35M

Day 8: 6.4M = 12.75M

Day 9: 12.8M = 25.55M

Day 10: 25.6M = 51.15M

Day 11: 51.2M = 102.35M

Day 12: 102.4M = 204.75M

Day 13: 204.8M = 409.55M

Day 14: 409.6M = 819.15M

Day 15: 819.2M = 1.638B

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1 point

Unlike the rest of the justice system.

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89 points

That’s like fining you or I a penny. It’s so ridiculously inconsequential to Musk.

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If he’d held out one more day it would have been 700k. 2 more days, 1.4M. 3 more, 2.8M.

i.e. Musk caved before it became consequential.

1.4B if he’d waited 2 weeks more. 23.4T (that’s Trillion) if he wanted to shield Trump for a month. I’d say it was a heavy fine that worked as intended.

Someone check my math.

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I checked your math. It’s pretty terrible, my friend.

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Ok. And…

Correct it or stfu.

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Until fines become wealth based, it will always be a poor people tax.

If cash flow is the issue, then start taking stocks.

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Or make them recurring fines that grow exponentially each time they are issued until the situation is fixed.

Edit: nvm it sounds like this is exactly what they are doing.

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Not just a “poor person tax” but it means that the law just doesn’t apply in any meaningful way to the wealthy

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Inconsequential for Musk sure, but not Twitter. Twitter is a company that didn’t make money, lost half of its ad revenue, can’t afford to pay its rent, can’t afford to pay its cloud providers, and was saddled with huge debts that have $1b in interest annually. The clock is ticking for Twitter.

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I think the issue is it can become failure of compliance and obstruction of justice at some point or can be tried as that. Elon could really get himself fucked if am investigation found members of the company discussion rejection to oblige.

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Lol true.

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This the top comment on literally every news article about a fine, lol.

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59 points

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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80 points

350k is a slap. Criminal charges should be made agaist leaders who ordered the delays.

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43 points

Sure would be nice if some rich criminals went to jail instead of a life without repercussions of any kind

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It was doubling every day. They were scared of day 15 where it would’ve been 780mil for the day and over 1.562billion total.

Every day doubling is a really good consequence, the fact that it only took twitter 3 days to comply once the penalty started actually hitting should confirm that

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It took 6 months, and they got fined because they broke the law. If the company knewkon day one it would face criminal charges for non compliance after a period for appeal we would have seen results months ago.

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15 points

Can we send Twitter to prison?

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28 points

Corporations are people my friend

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Seems fair. If corporations are legally people, they ought to be able to be incarcerated like people or executed like people.

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“Who is this Twitter you speak of? My name is X. I don’t know any Twitter.“ - Musk with a fake moustache and glasses.

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Ha, corporations are legally people but can’t be punished as people. I can’t see any way that could be abused.

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Probably not, but maybe we could shut them off from the internet.

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Bro, Elon gutted Twitter. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t have the right people to get this information. I wonder if it sat in a mailbox for a day before they even had someone look at it.

Twitter isn’t a well run company anymore. This could be pure incompetence.

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Too bad for them.

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20 points

Elon is bleeding millions a day at this point - he won’t even know that this 350k ever existed or what it was for.

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100% this. This fine should be increased hundred fold at the very least. In the real world someone would be held in contempt of court and jailed. Laws for the common man and piddly fines for the wealthy parasites of the world.

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Ugh please leave the pointless predictable pithy platitudes at Reddit

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


At first, Twitter resisted producing Trump’s data and argued that the government’s nondisclosure order violated the First Amendment and the Stored Communications Act.

However, US circuit judge Florence Pan wrote that the court was largely unpersuaded by Twitter’s arguments, mostly because the government’s interest in Trump’s data as part of its ongoing January 6 investigation was “unquestionably compelling.”

The government then took the extra step to apply for a nondisclosure order, which was granted because “the district court found that there were ‘reasonable grounds to believe’ that disclosing the warrant to former President Trump ‘would seriously jeopardize the ongoing investigation’ by giving him ‘an opportunity to destroy evidence, change patterns of behavior, [or] notify confederates.’”

The court checked with Twitter and confirmed that it was capable of meeting a rapid deadline and turning over the data by 5:00 pm that evening.

The court rejected Twitter’s “good faith” arguments, mainly because the company blew past the original deadline and repeatedly failed to raise concerns at earlier opportunities.

While Twitter appealed the decision, the company “paid the $350,000 sanction into an escrow account maintained by the district court clerk’s office.”


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Good bot.

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Hmmmm, yes, we got rid of Nixon by complying with the first amendment act. At this point Elon is just a closeted far righter whos just scared to make it public.

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Ummm… Has he not been making it public? He hasn’t seemed too subtle to me

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Meanwhile, Twitter was late in its attempts to oppose the sanctions formula. The court opinion said that Twitter’s counsel “belatedly” pointed out that “roughly one month of noncompliance” would have “required Twitter to pay a sanction greater than ‘the entire world’s gross domestic product.’”

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“But your honor, if we don’t comply with your order it’ll cost insane amounts of money!”

“Damn it’s almost like I want you to comply”

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Day 7: 6,350,000

Day 14: 819,150,000

Day 21: 104,857,550,000

Day 28: 13,421,772,750,000

Day 30: 53,687,091,150,000

A fun fine from the judge.

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