The motive behind Jovanovic’s actions was reportedly her fear that motherhood would jeopardise her professional career as a lawyer for a prestigious car brand.

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What the fuck

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Exactly…

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Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don’t have ESP. So “prosecutors claim she didn’t want to jeopardize her career” is not the same as “she didn’t want to jeopardize her career”.

It’s not like she wrote in her diary “Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work.”

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Yea I don’t think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.

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That’s fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.

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6 points

Now there’s a word you don’t get to use very often!

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defenstrating!

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3 points

I know. I need eye bleach after reading that headline.

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1 point

What the fuck I just read ?

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4 points

So, I’m guessing abortion is banned or banned early in Germany?

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She claims she didn’t know she was pregnant.

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Did she not know about adoption either?

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You also have the option to give up newborns at hospital sites anonymously and safely without any fear of persecution. I would have expected that you would know such a thing if you’re smart enough to become a lawyer, this was anything but a rational decision.

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It’s complicated. Basically it’s illegal, but there’s exceptions. The one exception that makes this law very weak, is that it isn’t illegal anymore if you got counseling at a place specialised for it.

Rape and medicinic reasons are also exceptions and counseling with the doctor is enough in that case.

It also has to happen in the first 90 days after getting pregnant.

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This is a very complicated and backwards way of saying: it’s not illegal, you’re required to talk to a specialized counselor first though. That’s also frankly not an un reasonable requirement.

It’s not that complicated.

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We need to make it so women don’t have to feel this way…I thought Germany was fairly progressive like that, but obviously not enough.

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I mean sure but I think there’s a few extra steps between “feeling” this way and fucking doing it.

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I hope you’ll agree with me that there are alternatives before throwing your newborn baby off the window as if it was a fucking napkin.

Even abandoning it in front of a church is more humane than what this bitch did.

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Who throws napkins out the window?

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Strictly speaking it is not as bad as throwing a baby out of one.

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Yes, she’s obviously seriously disturbed, but the situation of women either having a career or family is the driver behind her actions. There needs to be systematic support so women can have the same opportunities as men.

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Literally why she did it, but bring on the downvotes. Fuck this place is getting like Reddit.

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Apparently the career narrative is something the prosecutors put forward. She yeeted the baby just a few minutes after giving birth, there was something else going on here. If she was clear of mind and still wanted to kill the baby because of her career I’m sure this would not have been the first option.

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Don’t know this lady’s story. But post natal psychosis is a real tragic thing that can happen. This isnt the action of someone possessing their faculties.

Why when abortion is available would you carry to term -and then so impulsively act? If for whatever reason she didn’t want the baby and couldn’t get the abortion, she had months to come up with a better plan than ‘throw it out a window’. Either she was undiagnosed with something the whole time, or the birth triggered a psychological episode imo.

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You can give someone access to all the help they need, but if they don’t seek it out, there’s not much you can do about it. It sounds like post partum depression may have played a role, that is real, but you can’t force someone into treatment.

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She threw the baby off the window 10 minutes after giving birth.

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Spawn killer

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Interesting take. I wonder if the headline was:

“New Father and former Porsche Executive Throws Newborn Off Balcony”

Your first thoughts would be how the system failed him and that Germany needs to do more to support fathers.

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Not sure what your point is.

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Their point is to call out the sexist take in feigning sympathy for a child murderer when we all know the world wouldn’t do that shit if it was a man.

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Pretty sure it’s “fuck feminism”. I’ve seen this plenty of times before.

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It is a bit depressing how many guys in this thread don’t understand what pregnancy and childbirth can do to someone. Side effects may include: suicidal and homicidal urges. Google Postpartum Psychosis and Postpartum Depression.

Everyone is asking but why didn’t she act in a sane way and give it up for adoption? Well, there are good odds she needed something prescribed to her to allow her to be sane. Pregnant people’s bodies are undergoing major chemical changes, labor opens the floodgates. Which is why it is very important to make it easy and stigma free to let everyone out of the queue who does not want to ride the ride, and make healthcare accessible to those that do.

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No amount of progressivism can stop people from getting mental illnesses.

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51 points

As fucked up as this is, there’s so little information given by this article that I can’t even form an opinion on it.

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Feels clickbait but it got me going for a minute haha

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55 points

My current take is babies should not be thrown out of windows

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Sure that was my initial impression too, but I think I am going to sleep on it and maybe take some polls or study the matter more deeply. Can’t be too rash when judging someone for tossing a baby out of a window.

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14 points

Yeah, what if the baby was an asshole?

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Personally I like to listen to all sides

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3 points

Fucking extremist!

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You say that but it’s well known some of them babies are out to get ya

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Insane. I can’t imagine a woman doing that to her own newborn baby. Defenestrating a baby would also ruin her career, so I guess she has a lot of other things going into that decision.

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It’s not a logical decision.

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My point exactly.

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