US presidential candidate, Jill Stein, says because of AIPAC’s $100 million funding of the US election, it has become '‘politically toxic’ to speak out against the genocide in Gaza.
‘If we have concerns about the right to life before birth, how about a right to life after birth,’ she said in reference to Israel’s killing of innocent children and the elderly in Gaza. US President Joe Biden 'can end this war with a phone call’, she added.
And that is why she isn’t a serious or viable candidate.
And she never has been.
Oh, she isn’t a serious or viable candidate for way more than that, not least of which is the fact that she’s a Russian asset.
So I doubt you know the state department released a statement saying nothing nefarious happened while she was seated at that table for a few minutes.
I actually tried to find the State Department statement on that, and couldn’t. Do you have a link?
So she wolfed down all that food and a glass of wine in just a few minutes? Impressive.
Link the source, then. As for now, you can read up on why Stein IS a Russian Asset.
Reagan did it with one phone call to Begin, calling the invasion of Lebanon a Holocaust. While Biden privately supported it in 1982 saying he would go further than Israel.
Source on the Reagan phone call to Begin: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
Source on Biden saying to Begin he would go further: https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
Because something that happened 42 years ago is relevant today.
Gee, I wonder of the world and politics and power dynamics are different today.
Hmmmmm 🤔
It is relevant. It proves Biden could stop the genocide in Gaza but just like in 1982 he doesn’t want to. When Reagan angrily called Begin’s actions a Holocaust, Biden was privately saying to Begin he would go even further.
Hey guys, I’ve seen this several times since entering this thread so it must be true!
Fuck off with your spam
If she doesn’t take the AIPAC dollarydoos and sell her soul she’ll never win is what you mean?
Pretty much, yeah. For multiple overlapping reasons (FPTP, media, campaign funding). Which is why reforming the system is critical.
Kind of makes it weird that so many people on Lemmy are like “the system is broken therefore I’m not voting even if the outcome is Trump coming to power and making it 10 times worse.” In my type of logic, “the system is broken therefore let’s reform the system by doing X Y and Z” would be more sensible, to the point that it kinda calls into question their motivations behind saying the first thing, but what do I know.
Shes on enough ballots to get past the post. Maybe it’s time democrats did it our way since your way keeps producing brain dead geriatrics.
In my type of logic, “the system is broken therefore let’s reform the system by doing X Y and Z” would be more sensible, to the point that it kinda calls into question their motivations behind saying the first thing, but what do I know.
And the way to fix the system is by empowering the people that have broken it down over the years?
When the DNC took away Bernie in 2016 they destroyed the entire argument of “changing the system from the inside”.
It’s true. She’s speaks truth to power and is therefore kept out of political discussion.
Israeli military is funded by the US. They are given weapons. They are given logistical and intelligence support by the US. They are given diplomatic support. They are trained by the US. In almost everything but name, they are a US force. They would not exist without US support.
Joe Biden can tell them what to do at any time, and he chooses to ok the genocide.
Truth to power? Shes Putin’s number one fan, and has been for a decade+.
Jill Stein is a bought and paid for russian asset. Her only role is to cause turmoil in american elections however she can, by hopefully siphoning off left leaning votes in key states. She did just that in 2016, a year after this putin meeting, where her vote totals in key swing states were higher than the total margin for Hilary’s loss. Her efforts were part of why Trump won in 2016, leading to all the chaos and turmoil we have today.
Her trying to cause division and sow discord in the left wing during this election is the exact same thing she did in 2016 and 2020.
No, he can’t, because Bibi doesn’t give two shits what Biden or the Americans think.
Reagan did it with one phone call to Begin, calling the invasion of Lebanon a Holocaust. While Biden privately supported it in 1982 saying he would go further than Israel.
Source on the Reagan phone call to Begin: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
Source on Biden saying to Begin he would go further: https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
Biden doesn’t want the genocide to stop.
Begin was rational though. Different times, different people. That was the whole thing with the Camp David Accord under Carter.
Begin wasn’t a rational at all. He was a war criminal responsible for some of the worst massacres in 1948. Even then he was better than Biden.
Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.
I wish there was a simulator that we could put people in. It’d be good for Lemmy argument participants, too.
Like Jill Stein puts on the helmet, gets on the phone with simulated-Netanyahu, he laughs in her face and says okay we can wait until November, suits me fine. She cuts off weapons, congress explodes, it’s all over the news, some Israeli soldier talking about how his unit got decimated because they didn’t have the right stuff (all horseshit of course), Biden’s polling drops 5 points, Stein hits the button to switch the nominee to Kamala Harris, the polling drops even more, congress overrides Biden and sends weapons anyway, Trump wins the election with 350 electoral votes and sends Israel 20 strategic bombers and a carpet-bombing configuration of munitions with a note that says “have fun ❤️”, simulation ends. 0 points
(I’m not trying to give Biden a free pass on support for Israel. I think regime change and support for the ICC would be a good way to go; we can defend our “ally” (for some fuckin reason) while still prosecuting the members of that ally’s government who are killing children. I’m just pointing out that, of course, Stein’s argument here is laughably naive.)
Reagan did it with one phone call to Begin, calling the invasion of Lebanon a Holocaust. While Biden privately supported it in 1982 saying he would go further than Israel.
Source on the Reagan phone call to Begin: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
Source on Biden saying to Begin he would go further: https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
She would designate AIPAC correctly as a foreign entity and suddenly nobody really cares about israel anymore. We would never allow Russia or China to influence American voters with this kind of insane propaganda apparatus.
Biden controlls all “leverage” israel has over him
I’m gonna make a simulator and then put you in it so we can test your assertions about how it works, and give you a score at the end
Also
We would never allow Russia or China to influence American voters with this kind of insane propaganda apparatus.
I’m not saying you are wrong about how it should work, but I also have bad news for you about where the GOP gets a lot of their money and priorities
And no that is not some hyperbole
I’m not saying you are wrong about how it should work, but I also have bad news for you about where the GOP gets a lot of their money and priorities
Tell me who is that? Surely the DNC doesn’t accept money from those people right?
And Biden isn’t president too right? He has no power to anything about AIPAC.
Instead of running simulations try observing this thing called “reality”.
Doesn’t even have to be a phone call…
He just has to draw a line in the sand and say Israel gets no more weapons till they’re on the right side of the line.
Obama did it. Biden said it was dumb, but it worked.
Now Biden isn’t doing it, and Israel went on a full on genocide.
But Biden will never under any circumstances do it, so Israel knows as long as Biden is in office they can do whatever they want.
trump would want money/favors/praise, and if push comes to shove, he’ll abandon them in an instant if he thought it would be better for trump or if Putin told him to.
Reagan did it with Begin with one phone call. Biden is just a Zionist and it is his genocide. Just like how he did in 1982 in Lebanon while Reagan called it a Holocaust.
Source on the Reagan phone call to Begin: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
Source on Biden saying to Begin he would go further: https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
