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This undersells Kamala’s “legal issues”. She was Attorney General for 6 years:

Harris’ office took on predatory for-profit colleges and also secured a nearly $20 billion settlement with banks following the 2008 foreclosure crisis.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-look-at-kamala-harris-legal-career-and-political-record

The biggest argument against Harris is that she put too many people behind bars. She was too good at her job. I think people will care less about it since Biden directed the FDA to reschedule weed as schedule 3.

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I read her entire Wikipedia today. Very impressive. In favor of everything she did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

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She was too good at her job. I think people will care less about it since Biden directed the FDA to reschedule weed as schedule 3.

First test of whether she’s actually moved on from her boomer-views of weed will be whether she undoes that.

As I feel the need to say every time I bring this up, I will be voting Kamala Harris in November. I don’t see that these criticisms from when she was a VP candidate are any less valid than they were then though.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/kamala-cop-record/596758/

Closing paragraphs of that article:

I can forgive a politician a vote on a crime bill that looks ill-conceived two decades later, or a too-slow evolution toward marijuana legalization, or even a principled belief in the death penalty, something I adamantly oppose. I find it far harder to forgive fighting to keep a man in jail in the face of strong evidence of innocence, running a team of prosecutors that withholds potentially exculpatory evidence from defense attorneys, and utterly failing as the state’s top prosecutor to rein in glaringly corrupt district attorneys and law enforcement.

At best, Harris displayed a pattern of striking ignorance about scandalous misconduct in hierarchies that she oversaw. And she is now asking the public to place her atop a bigger, more complicated, more powerful hierarchy, where abuses and unaccountable officials would do even more to subvert liberty and justice for all.

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Harris is also the one that has been more public about legalizing weed. She was the one that promised it in 2020 and reiterated the promise a few months ago. With six months left, I’m skeptical but it’s still in the realm of possibility.

If the Republicans were smart, they’d do it first. Ballot initiatives for Marijuana legalization has driven blue turnout in several states lately. Florida has an initiative on the ballot this year along with abortion. I think FL will be a lot more competitive than people think with the ballot initiatives driving turnout for young people.

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Just read her wikipedia page - as I’m not from the US I’ve been mostly treating US politics as a bad comedy show for the last two decades or so, and even though she’s vice president she was too much of a side character to register.

The one thing that did rech me over there was that she’s a bad candidate as VP as she’ll erect a police state when biden dies. After reading her bio I can’t find problems there, though. I disagree with some details - like seeking life imprisonment - but can give her a pass due to the environment she’s operating in which probably wouldn’t allow anything else (if you’re confused: all convicts should undergo rehabilitation attempts with goal of release. If you stay locked up it’ll be due to you still posing a danger to society, in which case you still get more privileges than a prisoner as at that stage it is considered a mental health issue, and treating you as prisoner for that would be a human rights violation).

For sticking to not seeking death penalty she deserves respect, though, and generally she seemed to be focused on putting actual criminals to prison.

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Uh, let’s not forget about that $454 million civil judgment.

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Or the rapes?

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Do you speak of the documented cases of rape of adult women, such as the case he lost in court and the story told by his wife; or are you referring to the several credible accusations of abuse of minors?

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I believe they are referring to credible accusations of the rape of minors. Many people are saying that one of these two candidates is a child rapist. Who likes to rape children.

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there’s soooooooo much there, it’s almost hard to decide what to bring up. “Foreign Policy?” Yeah, he was compairing “button” sizes with Kim Jong Un.

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Trump is also a rapist.

There’s a lot of stuff, but that one should probably be on the list.

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33 points

Wholesome laughter

Reposting from yesterday’s xkcd thread

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Laughing at Venn diagrams, and you want Her as the next President?!

Meanwhile…

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5 points

Old Sleepy Don can’t do funny.

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XKCD, on point as usual.

Though… probably wouldn’t be the worst president. …

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Damn, she got the xkcd endorsement?! What reality am I even in right now

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Since my sleepy time edible is kicking in, I’m just going to ask here.

Is there a comprehensive list of all the things Trump has done in office good vs bad compared to all the things that Biden has done good vs bad?

I know some people that still need convincing, but I’m ill-equipped.

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Good vs bad is subjective and some people might disagree. For instance, many in Trump’s base are happy that he separated children at the border from their parents as a form of medieval punishment to immigrants seeking asylum.

However, here are two pages that I find important. Here is a super tiny list of Biden’s accomplishments, keeping it to only 30 for brevity: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

And since there’s so much negative to say about Trump, given that he is a criminal with bankrupt ideas and tons of problems, here is one link that focuses on economics: https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

I like to summarize Trump’s ability as a president with this simple example: Trump is the only president to have ever promised to completely wipe out the US national debt. The reason other presidents don’t promise this is because it’s stupid, no country should operate without debt. An economist should know that, BTW, and he is constantly remind us that he graduated in Economics from a top school, while he doesn’t seem to understand basics of macro economics. Then, once he became president, he added the most debt in a single presidential term in history. So he campaigned on a truly stupid promise to completely wipe the national debt, yet he then added the most debt ever.

That’s the kind of president you get when you vote for Trump. As Rex Tillerson said, a man that doesn’t seem to comprehend what the adults are talking about and doesn’t even understand why the adults want to talk about it. A fucking moron incapable of presidential decisions. That’s in addition to all the horrible stuff he brings with his nasty personality, corruption, crimes, and so on.

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It is only up until 2021 on the bad things trump has done but it is a long list none the less.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-atrocities-1-1-056

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Well the problem would be that one could argue the “good” and “bad”. It would be better to have a trustworthy factual list of things they’ve done and base our judgements on that.

But it’s pretty hard to create such a list unbiased, if even possible. But I think it would help.

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Yeah, I saw it on some MAGA web site

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Those people are abject morons.

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OP is asking for help and I think a side by side comparison list is a very reasonable thing to ask for.

Calling people that would possibly vote along side you, but haven’t decided yet, “morons”, serves to push them away and to vote against you.

You might not like the idea of engaging people that haven’t decided they’re voting the same way you are, but I’d encourage you to (without being mean!), unless you want to sleep walk in to another Trump presidency.

We need more people like OP and less people like you.

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You engage with people like that long enough and grow tired of it. I used to do that a lot. I’m done. Far too many people aren’t going to change and I quit wasting my time, and in a lot of cases they’re so nuts I just removed them from my life.

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