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Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.

If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women’s boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.

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Was she born intersex before being assigned female? I’m sorry but I haven’t followed all the details of the gender test and how she failed it. Do you know?

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I love everyone citing the International Boxing Association (IBA), “they tested for XY chromosomes.” They did a testosterone test and the IBA President concluded she had XY due to elevated testosterone.

Caster Semenya went through the same stuff but was a woman. Her case is very different but the same. A woman that has elevated testosterone but a medical condition that gives her XY chromosomes.

Instead people should be asking who Umar Kremlev. A Russian that lost his last election but decided “nope, that doesn’t count” and still holds office. Damn, who does that sound like? Yes, he has ties to the Kremlin. Can, someone remind me on their stance with alternative lifestyles?

Elevated testosterone in females is not uncommon. Just like everything else, it is complicated.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240719142841/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/opinion/running-body-semenya.html

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/iba-extraordinary-congress-votes-against-holding-new-election-2022-09-25/

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Obviously, these duel competitions should only be allowed between identical twins. Anything less is unfair and should be halted and shut down.

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Does she? First we don’t know the indicator that failed the test. If it is an xy chromosome or higher testosterone. For all we know could be a bad test sample. What we do know is she is a woman. How hard would it be to just pay off an official/tester if your competitors are better than you.Secondly this lady has lost to many women with no question they are women. She isn’t superior she may have advantageous genes and if we want to put a limit on that well we she should examine if Michael Phelps is to advantageous in his genes.

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Yeah, the boxer in question has XY chromosomes. Did you read the article? It’s in there.

I read up more on this and my original comment was wrong.

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One corrupt Russian official said this but did not give proof or point to the test. They let her compete all the way to the end of a competition let her win then claimed she has xy chromosome.

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No, she doesn’t. Some random sexist schmuck claimed she did and idiots like you gobble it up without question. Grow a brain.

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The situation has arisen because the world championships last year was run under the auspices of the International Boxing Association, whose president, Umar Kremlev, told the Russian news agency, Tass, that DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events”. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/29/boxers-who-failed-gender-tests-at-world-championships-cleared-to-compete-at-olympics

“A boxer from Algeria Imane Khelif was excluded from the IBA World Boxing Championships due to the failure to meet the IBA eligibility criteria,” the governing body said in a statement. “The IBA upholds its rules and regulations as well as its athletes’ personal and medical privacy, the eligibility criteria breach therefore cannot be shared by the IBA.” The Algerian Olympic Committee said Khelif was disqualified for “medical reasons” and that it would support her preparation for the African qualification tournament for next year’s Paris Olympics. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/two-disqualified-failing-meet-eligibility-criteria-world-champs-2023-03-26/

In your own article it say she was disqualified after winning gold medal under the rules of having xy chromosomes. Why was she allowed to compete? They don’t specifically say she had xy chromosomes. They just decided to apply the rule after she won gold. They need more documentation and clearer rules. It isn’t hard to spit in a jar and claim someone is not what they are. Or to have a bad sample or mix up.

There is also medical conditions that cause women to have xy chromosomes still doesn’t mean they aren’t women. Tons of people have genomic advantages over other people. Again Michael Phelps

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It seems from what I read that she has this syndrome when a male doesn’t develop all male features but female ones. That’s why she would have high testosterone and could have other masculine features. Sucks, but absolutely something that should be addressed and already is addressed. Only that it is addressed differently in different leagues.

I think that in case of imame, no competitors issued any complaints before the Olympics even when asked directly, so she should be able to compete.

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Maybe we don’t know. We don’t have good clear transparent and non corrupt testing. We don’t even test this on every single woman. IoC said they need clearer standards if they want to kick this woman out.

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It’s a bad situation. Women’s sports have a problem. But right now it’s not a big problem. There are not many individuals who are the outliers. Even imane loses fights.

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If testosterone is a PED and it doesn’t matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it’s a sexist attempt to police women’s bodies.

Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn’t.

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Maybe we should just stop taking professional sports so seriously

People will always have genetically advantages, be it height, testosterone, bone density or a myriad of other factors. Trying to control all is impossible, and no matter what limits you set, you’ll unfairly exclude some people

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No basketball player should be above 5.5 feet tall. There should be a hard limit on height. But only in women’s basketball.

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There should be separate basketball leagues as per height.

5’6" - 6’

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They do check testosterone levels for men in every single sport that checks for doping. Abnormal levels is indicative of doping.

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Are you proposing mandatory testosterone blockers for all Olympic athletes?

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I’m suggesting disqualifying women for abnormal testosterone levels without doing the same for men makes no logical sense. Either it’s a PED or it isn’t and if you’re going to limit a naturally occurring hormone of just one sex, then it’s not really about the hormone.

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But they do, do the same for men. They test men’s testosterone. It’s part of the anti-doping protocol.

If someone is found with abnormal levels, it can be indicative of doping, and doping by increasing testosterone is quite common. Most people know it by the name of “steroids”

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I see now! I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying

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