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Makes sense. Gotta be neutral territory. She needs to propose an alternative. ABC is left leaning.

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I get your point, how is ABC left leaning though? I’m not up on my US media except for knowing CNN seems neutral, Fox being right.

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Here’s the abc media bias fact checker:

They’re fairly even keeled but they do still have all the failings of other main stream media. If 1 is left and ten is right (under US focused understanding) I’d probably say they’re a 3.5-4.5.

Not talking about any local affiliates. IMO local affiliates tend to be better than national.

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10 points

LOL, according to that website BBC is center left.

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that site is a joke, everything is center left there

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I’m not even sure what national ABC is; as far as I’ve ever seen its local affiliates. Unless we’re just talking Disney which I guess is left leaning (that is, if acknowledging gay people existing is left leaning which honestly is kind of sad).

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66 points

Fox isn’t even news. By their own admission, they are for entertainment purposes only. They might as well debate on Nickelodeon

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8 points

Right, that’s why I went for “media” I suppose.

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3 points

Hey, I think that Linda Ellerbee would be a fine debate moderator.

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11 points

Also: left leaning versus right wing mouthpiece. ABC v Fox doesn’t seem like a fair comparison.

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30 points

Is ABC really left? The Democrats are centre right in my Europerspective.

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That’s what I’ve always thought too. Like there’s being biased or leaning left or right or whatever… And then there’s Fox News. They are so far beyond that it’s seriously bordering on satire at this point. They don’t lean right, they fucking blasted off into outer space to the right on a rocket ship that’s still cruising off into the distance.

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It’s not at all. They are a huge corporation owned by other corporations, there’s no liberal mainstream media, there’s sensible center right news, and reactionary hard right news, there are ZERO leftists news stations. Because it costs a ton of money to be a news station and rich people aren’t even a little bit leftist.

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I think publically funded ones tend left, mostly because raw facts tend to have a left “bias”. Lol

I’ve had to resort to that or international news to get any sort of unsensationalized news, though.

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If you listen to NPR and realize most of their funding was donated by The Koch Brothers, you’ll start to notice how often they are on the same talking points as FoxNews and same unchallenged opinions of right wing reactionaries from pundants on most issues. They just deliver it in a smooth and smarmy tone. Again. No one has a media company free of serious financial cost, and no one with money is a leftist.

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DW is pretty good. They get called left leaning by Americans, but that’s just because leftist policies have a well known reality bias.

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18 points

Democracy Now! is pretty decent.

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12 points

It isn’t really a station, but Amy Goodman as a moderator would be pretty great.

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120 points

At this point the GQP is so far to the right that everything is left leaning.

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I have literally seen them call Fox News leftist because it will no longer air election denial bs.

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42 points

Compared to many countries in Europe even US “left” is pretty right.

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4 points

The US’ left is still far right of almost every other democracies’ right.

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When we rhetorically ask “Is the US alright?”, that’s what we’re implying: “Is there any part of it actually left of our center?”

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24 points

NPR hosted debate in Switzerland.

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BBC hosted in Switzerland

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Can he go to Switzerland being a felon and all?

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At least he would end up in a jail, where he rightfully belongs.

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Trump is such a 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔

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🐔💩

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Maybe doing something at Fox could work, but it won’t be a debate. It could be entertainment. It will be a waste of time in this arrangement. I think.

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Remember when Bernie went on Fox and got cheers? https://youtu.be/DV60Q8-B808

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That was pretty good! But it didn’t get disseminated into the right wing news ecosystem. I don’t thing Harris being in a debate on Fox news will, either.

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“Who’s gonna pay for healthcare?”

First world countries pay less per capita for universal healthcare than the US does to cover a minority and in the US the majority has to also pay for private coverage as well as the share of their taxes that goes to public healthcare coverage THAT THEY DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO. Implemented the right way, 100% public healthcare would actually save the US government money, implemented wrong it would still save people money because right now it’s for profit companies that cover them, the government isn’t a for profit business, it only needs to collect enough taxes to pay for the service.

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Faux News is first, foremost, and exclusively the conservative right’s propaganda arm. Can’t wait until Rupert Murdoch dies and his heirs tear the network apart fighting over the money.

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Him: Come, fight me in my lair where they feed me endless energy and fight in my behalf!

Her: How about fuck you.

Him: Waaaah!

Her: points and laughs

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This. We couldn’t get a neutral debate on CNN. They didn’t enforce any time limits on Trump, let him ramble on as long as he liked and never shut him up when he went over it. And this happened on that so-called “liberal news media” that conservatives keep yammering on about.

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CNN hasn’t been liberal for a few years since they were bought by a far right loon.

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