Following initial investigation in July, three more women come forward, including one who signed NDA following her experience with author

Edit: Not sure why the link abstract says two. The article clearly says three.

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You fucking dick head. Can’t you people just not assault women? Is it that fucking hard?

Edit: and I get these are just allegations - innocent until proven guilty… But like damn dude. 3 women?

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Three more women for a total of five, the way I read it. Original allegations arrived last month.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/neil-gaiman-denies-sexual-assault-allegations-two-women-1235053131/

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if someone had to sign an NDA, then that’s pretty damn sketchy

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jesus fucking christ does everyone have to turn out to be a fucking asshole?

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My reaction as well. At least Terry Pratchett left us too early but he is not touched by any of this shit.

I meant it as him and Gaiman being friends.

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Power is pretty corrupting and anyone who is a famous person (as in, public enough to maintain fame as opposed to just broad recognition) probably has a bit of an ego.

I mean your average normal person would be like “Don’t idolise me, I’m just someone who writes books you like. Now please leave me alone” not posting on tumblr to adoring young fans.

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i don’t like to assume everyone famous or powerful is a rapey asshole. but the more time goes by, the less shocked i am when i hear about it

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Your normal person would start out as “don’t idolize me” but that much attention is in itself corrupting over time.

Enough people tell you, your shit doesn’t stink, and eventually you believe them. From there it just gets worse.

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Damnit. This always sucks to hear but it sucks even more when it’s someone who’s work is (was) enjoyable.

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I choose to continue to enjoy the work of people who turned out to be shitheads from before learning that they are shitheads. Michael Jackson, Phil Anselmo, now Neil Gaiman (actually, last year for him). All people who created great art that I enjoy and whose future work I will not consume (for the ones that are still alive). To be clear, MJ is only before the allegations. Thriller still kicks ass.

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Yeah, you can appreciate that people are complicated, and bad people can create good things. If you try to only read books by people who are morally above reproach, you will wind up with a pretty short reading list.

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Is the MJ thing settled or are you just saying you avoid anything thats likely to be problematic too?

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I mean, claims against MJ seem pretty bad and, I think, multiple enough that I can’t ignore them. There’s no proof, to my knowledge. But I’m not comfortable with it.

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I can justify still enjoying Pantera by knowing that most of what made them awesome was Dimebag.

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The work can still be enjoyable - you can separate the art from the artist.

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I don’t enjoy supporting the artist even if the art is good and don’t buy into this argument. If you support the art, the artist is still making money off of it. Unless they are dead I guess…

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It’s possible to enjoy the art without giving material support or publicity.

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Books can be consumed without paying the author anything.

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lol this argument just happened in a thread about jk rowling.

enjoy your rapist stories

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I dunno about him, but I have. I really like Sandman. American Gods was okay, but nothing that blew me away.

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Come to think of it, I’d probably enjoy a work coauthored by Neal Gaiman and JK Rowling.

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I just read a super interesting book about this–Monsters by Claire Dederer. It won’t really give you answers, but a thought-provoking discussion on this subject I also struggle with.

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oh god damn it.

whelp, there goes Season 3 of Good Omens.

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and Sandman

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Not going to lie, you know that Sandman episode/issue with writers kidnapping and raping the Muse?

I knew this was coming.

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And Dead Boy Detectives season 2?

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