“Biden realized that Netanyahu was lying to him about the hostages,” the official told Haaretz. “He’s not saying it publicly yet, but in the meeting between them, he specifically told him, ‘Stop bullshitting me.’”

On Friday, a senior member of the Israeli negotiating team told Haaretz that Israeli defense chiefs believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not interested in a hostage deal/cease-fire with Hamas. Israel’s Channel 12 also reported on a tense exchange between Netanyahu and the defense chiefs, in which Shin Bet head Ronen Bar said, “It feels like the prime minister doesn’t want the framework that’s on the table.” Turning to Netanyahu, he added that if that is the case, “you should tell us.”

Mossad chief David Barnea stressed to Netanyahu, “There is a deal on the table. If we delay, we could miss the opportunity. We have to take it.” Netanyahu, per the report, reacted angrily, accusing the defense chiefs of being “soft.”

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Could also use this pokemon meme

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Gee, what could have possibly clued Biden into the fact that Netenyahu was being disingenuous? Could it possibly have been the fact that after every time they spoke, Bibi would immediately go on-air in Israeli press and brag about what a little removed Biden is and how he’s completely in Bibi’s pocket? Could that have been a sign?!

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Israel blows up the guy they’re negotiating a ceasefire with.

Biden: “Hm… I’m starting to think this guy is not being entirely honest about wanting a peace…”

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Now that’s a meme I’ve not seen in a long time. A long time.

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So sick of my tax dollars going to these ungrateful fucks who dishonor their ancestors by partaking in exactly what they themselves went through.

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Comparing this war with the Holocaust is stupid. Even if you ignore the numbers, the situation itself is completely different. Palestinians are armed, hostile and a threat. German Jews were just harmless citizens, some even being in the German army, defending the country.

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Did you really even think this through like at all?

Believing leveling the civilian infrastructure and killing vast segments of families won’t lead to further radicalization and terrorism is stupid.

Believing Israel can’t protect its borders if it actually read its own intelligence reports and committed even half the number of IDF to its 20-mile border as it did to this offensive is stupid.

Believing attacking Gaza actually resolves the problem or even deals with the larger nations feeding those terrorists is stupid.

Believing Bibi actually cares and isn’t just trying to wage an imperial conquest while trying to avoid ongoing criminal trials in Israel is stupid.

Believing executing 4 women and children for 1 Hamas operative is worth it is fundamentally stupid.

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Ok, cool.

How does anything you wrote have anything to do with what I wrote? Like, at all?

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They had 75 years to make peace. As the party with constant military supremacy and backing of the hegemonic power, the onus was on them to make it work. But we’ve known for decades that Israel’s leaders sabotaged the so called “peace process” and only wished to foster more hostility so they of leverage their military superiority.

Good thing both sides have been breeding child soldiers like crazy so they both can have the blood orgy they crave so much.

We just want to forget this cursed land of hate exists, is that so much to ask?

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A. Who talked about peace? Who talked about who’s at fault? Read again what I wrote. All I said is that the situation is vastly different. This conflict requires peace to be made, the Holocaust wasn’t a conflict, but a straight up slaughter.

B. Israeli child soldiers are news to me… There are plenty of photos of Hamas marching with children with weapons, but none that I know of from the Israeli side

And yeah, I 100% agree that land just shouldn’t exist and that’s it.

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I can tell you’re an expert on stupid

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Palestinians will get shot on site if going outside with a knife. Settlementers keep snipers on them consistently. Not just on Gazans.

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I mean, if by “going outside” you mean - “crossing the Israeli border illegally” - then yes. They will get shot on site. I still don’t see how this has any comparison with the Holocaust.

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the united states will continue to fellate israel until the end of time, regardless of who’s POTUS. and israel knows that to be the case, regardless of who’s leading israel. the intelligence alone is something the US will never give up. in addition to being really the US’s only reliable tentacle in the middle east

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I’d argue Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are far easier and more controllable outposts right now.

An “ally” that doesn’t listen and engulfs the region in chaos only seems counterproductive. Reliable is the last word I’d attribute to israel.

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Tbh we should just switch to Cypruss. Its a stones throw away, and we’ve got great relations. Unless the island thing is an issue…

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Cyprus is a great idea but it’s ownership is also contested. Turkey and Greece fucking hate that the other claims ownership. Although the former Greek section is now it’s own country, but there’s still a small turkey section. Great idea, still contentious, even if less so.

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lol and what’s the difference between all those countries and israel? and why would the US send mountains of weapons and cash to israel and much less to the other “allies”? hint: it rhymes with “schmuslims.”

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AIPAC doesn’t rhyme with schmuslims

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Over the course of the Genocide the notion that we really want israel to exist as a strategic ally has started to look extremely wonky to me.

Looking at previous history as well, I have concluded the “strategic partner” narrative is purely an excuse for israeli lobbyists. Such as the best funded lobbyist for israel

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That is absolutely a factor, but there are also absolutely people who view this as an important part of American power projection. While I don’t think that supporting Israel has been making the US stronger in this era, it has historically been a key strategic location due to how close it is to the suez and global oil trade.

It is darkly funny how cheaply American politicians can be bought, meanwhile we shovel endless piles of money to Israel, which it then uses to shore up political support for continuing to send them money and ammunition.

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Well the US have been busy inventing a back up for decades now.

Who else in the middle east has a sizable population that spans many countries which, in the case of independence, would conveniently destabilize the middle east yet wholely depend on the US for survival, as it would be completely surrounded by sworn enemies, therefore would have to act as a defacto US state in foreign affairs?

Anyway, we are halfway there now and the rest shouldn’t take too long

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I don’t really follow what you’re trying to say. I’m not sure there is a viable backup to Israel as a client state in the region.

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I doubt it. Their spy tools have been sold. They won’t be helpful for long. As generations die no one cares. They basically maintain our nukes.

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Gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck

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