A Tesla Cybertruck driver was killed in what appears to be the first reported fatal crash involving the electric pickup truck, which has yet to undergo third-party crash testing.

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How do you even get a vehicle past safety regulations and up for sale without third party crash testing?

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92 points

Deregulation.

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There’s miles of safety regulations for cars in the US,

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Yes, you can really tell that when you compare cars for EU markets to those for USA.

Didn’t Murika only legalise adaptive headlight a few years ago?

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65 points

You have a car company owned by one of the richest (and thus one of the most powerful) people in the world.

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56 points

When you’re famous they let you do it.

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12 points

Grab ‘em by the standards

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1 point

Dang

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53 points

I found this article informative.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/some-cars-will-never-be-crash-tested-crash-test-ratings-a9250800738/

In order to sell a new vehicle in the U.S., manufacturers must provide information from their own company crash tests to NHTSA to ensure compliance with federal standards.

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71 points

Yup, regulatory capture at work. You see this a lot in EPA and OSHA as well - “we’ll take your word for it until serious shit starts happening a lot.”

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They all do spot checks.

It would cost a shitload of money if they had to clear every single model, or product or service.

So either everything gets more expensive (people complain), or we increase taxes further (people complain)

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28 points

Money

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15 points

Boeing did it.

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I don’t know about Cybertruck but other Teslas rank high up in the safest cars ever tested. Would be surprising if this wouldn’t apply to cybertruck too though who knows.

Edit: also, 15 to 20k units sold and this is the first fatal crash involving one

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other Teslas rank high up in the safest cars ever tested.

I’ve heard that, but now I kinda think they probably just made those up.

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Well, the euro NCAP tests give them some of the highest scores as well, so I do trust that (not including cybertruck).

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12 points

Watch that crash test video and tell me that’s safe…it crashes like a 72 Impala.

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8 points

Numbers skewed by time spent out of service waiting for something.

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I suspect nhtsa is facing pressure to push through EVs as part of the larger effort to promote move to carbon emissions reduction.

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35 points

What an incredibly bold claim with zero evidence to back it up.

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Recent data indicates that Cybertruck may have achieved the highest sales among electric pickup trucks in the U.S. during the second quarter of 2024. With an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 units already on the road and a reported sales rate of 1,754 units per month, the Cybertruck is increasingly visible on roadways.

Well… say hello to a lot more fatal crashes. Involving pedestrians.

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The cybertruck front is actually lower than a lot of other comparable trucks, and has a slanted hood, both things that will reduce pedestrian fatalities compared to some of the other flat neck high bricks out there.

It’s just a matter of does the truck cut them in half or not with that front edge of which we don’t have any data on yet.

Eg. This is beside a f150 raptor

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Unfortunately the materials really matters with pedestrian motor vehicle accidents. When I first started working in orthopedics and rehabilitation, metal fenders and bumpers were still regularly on the roads and causing very specific injuries.

When a metal bumper hits you, it doesn’t just cause blunt force trauma, it tends to shear muscle away from the bone. There was a specific ankle foot orthosis that was widely produced up until the early 2000s that was meant to replace calf muscles that were scooped off by metal bumpers.

This truck is basically a giant flying wedge of stainless steel, I don’t see any pedestrian walking away from an accident with this monstrosity.

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Any thoughts on how the plastic bumper at the bottom might impact that? Do you think that might make any difference at all? You’re still going to hit the metal parts regardless, but that initial impact might be plastic, (edit: and then start the forces of throwing you onto the hood)

I really wanna see a 3rd party agency test this so we can finally get some answers, but with the lower front/angle, but the metal/front edge, it might even turn out to be a less fatalities, but more injuries type of situation. That edge is going to be the key factor.

Less deaths wouldn’t excuse more injuries though. I half wonder if the NHSTA will eventually force Tesla to add some sort of rounded plastic thing around the front edges.

Edit: I just want to clarify on the injury/death ratio, I don’t mean that the deaths just turn into injures, but that there is actually more injures. Like if there was 100 pedestrian accidents, and other trucks were 10deaths/20 serious injuries, that the CT might be 5 deaths / 50 serious injuries.

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That’s not entirely accurate, a cyber truck has adaptive suspension that can lift the truck as much as what you’d get on a 6" lift. In the Pic you are showing it’s at it’s lowest position.

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This is beside a f150 lightning, and the CT is a little more raised on this one. Not sure about the lightning though with the angle

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It’s still lower than many other trucks even when higher. This is the driving position and the most efficient for aero. They could drive in higher modes though yes.

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It also has sharp corners that will ruin your day- instead of Bouncing off fairly flexible body panels, that are round and blunt, you’re getting nailed by rigid, sharp corners.

Which concentrate what force is there.

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Well that’s my comment about getting cut in half.

But it’d almost be certainly be better to get hit by a lower, slanted shape even if solid than a slightly flexible higher flat wall

Higher is bad in general and many trucks are comically high.

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yeah but at least some of your body will roll right over! after the crash you can crawl to the lower half and try to stitch it back. ezpz

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That Ford grill is made out of ABS plastic, like a big Lego.

The Cybertruck is made out of steel, like an anvil.

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As trucks get taller, you’re more likely to get impact wounds on vital organs and pushed forward and RUN OVER which is going to be a worse time for you.

The CyberTruck is more likely to get you onto it’s hood (unless it’s fully raised at the time), which should increase your survival chance ASSUMING that edge doesn’t increase lethality and only increases injuries.

Edit: Also newer cars (not trucks AFAIK) even have special features within their hoods to further increase the likely hood of not getting injured. On newer Model 3’s for example it could pop up during an accident to act as a better cushion when you hit it.

Edit: Further, and this goes for all vehicles, if you know you’re about to get hit, get your feet OFF the ground. It will reduce the friction and increase your odds of going onto the hood if it’s not a brick wall you’re hitting instead of being pushed forward/run over.

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Ridiculous.

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On the bright side, this was a single vehicle, single person crash.

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42 points

I sleep well knowing this thing will never be street legal in the EU.

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39 points

Cybertruck, built Fraud tough

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DPS confirmed the driver was fatally injured at the scene, but his identity remains unknown due to severe burns. The intense fire also prevented authorities from identifying the vehicle’s license plate or VIN.

Holy shit, it straight up cremated him in a lithium fire. Teslas are a fucking abomination.

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